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To: kosta50; MarkBsnr
Annalex: [The Scripture as produced by the Church] is inerrant

Kosta: There is no objective evidence of that. It's a demand placed on the faithful by the Church since Trent

Well, by faith. It is a fundamental element of Christian faith, and it is not so just because of Trent. It is not by fiat because Trent or no Trent, people are free to leave the Church.

The only thing that was lost was the original understanding of things in Judaism, and their deliberate and forced mutation into something unrecognizable. Without radically changing the meaning of words, misquoting (even rewriting) the Old Testament, etc., Christianity would have no leg to stand on.

Or rather, what the Jews saw darkly the Christians see clearly. Obviously, since the Jewish vision deteriorated further after the loss of the Temple, consulting them today is altogether pointless. I agree, however, that Christianity is a transformation (properly, it is the fulfillment) of Judaism.

myth of "one" church

The Church is of course one as there is but one Christ. Heresies are multiple: they are the "denominations" of today, and so were the ancient heresies.

7,195 posted on 02/24/2011 5:31:48 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; Alex Murphy; metmom; Quix; 1000 silverlings; bkaycee; boatbums
Annalex -- here is what our friends here believe in:

Jesse Duplantis the guy who visited heaven and comforted Jesus Christ


Alex Murphy -- do you agree with Jesse on his visit?

7,199 posted on 02/24/2011 7:56:20 AM PST by Cronos ("They object to tradition saying that they themselves are wiser than the apostles" - Ire.III.2.2)
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To: annalex; MarkBsnr
Annalex: [The Scripture as produced by the Church] is inerrant

Kosta: There is no objective evidence of that. It's a demand placed on the faithful by the Church since Trent

Well, by faith.

Then say so. Just saying "scripture is inerrant" is (mis)leading unless you add "by faith", and only by faith.

Or rather, what the Jews saw darkly the Christians see clearly

Every sect/cult makes the same stupid argument in its favor, Alex. Try this: Or rather, what the Jews Christians saw darkly the Christians Mormons see clearly.

People die for their faiths. They believe every bit as you do that their version is the one true religion, their god one true god and their books one true scripture.

Trouble is—there is not a single shred of objective, provable evidence that it is, except by faith, and faith alone.

I believe it is an evolutionary process to come to that realization, and a matter of extraordinary maturity, and honesty, to admit it. But, then, not everyone evolves.

7,201 posted on 02/24/2011 10:28:34 AM PST by kosta50 ("Spirit of Spirit....give me over to immortal birth so that I may be born again" -- pagan prayer)
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