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To: Notwithstanding

Correct...also, Luther made himself pope......

This is so lame. Imagine if you disobyed the laws of the land...didn’t pay tazes, etc...and used Luther’s argument...unless I can be convinced from the Constitution alone...I will not obey. Sounds nice but it is actually personal rebellion.

When the peasants of Northern Germany wanted the same for themselves...Luther, siding with German authorities slaughtered them en masse.

Luther = very evil man


6 posted on 10/31/2010 12:22:45 PM PDT by Tribemike1
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To: Tribemike1
"Luther, siding with German authorities slaughtered them en masse."

Luther began the movement away from Jesus and the Gospels that was accelerated under Calvin. Reformation meant that the Letters of Paul replaced the Gospel as the primary revelation of the new and Everlasting Covenant. One need only read Luther's writings on Jews to know he was not truly a man of God. Surely God would not have chosen such a flawed vessel to bring new meaning to Christianity.

8 posted on 10/31/2010 12:45:22 PM PDT by Natural Law ("opera Christi non deficiunt, sed proficiunt")
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To: Tribemike1
Correct...also, Luther made himself pope......

Thee is no such thing as a pope.. that is false doctrine

This is so lame. Imagine if you disobyed the laws of the land...didn’t pay tazes, etc...and used Luther’s argument...unless I can be convinced from the Constitution alone...I will not obey. Sounds nice but it is actually personal rebellion.

Luther wanted a hearing in the church to discuss the false doctrine that had overrun Rome.. He wanted the church returned to its biblical roots.. The Jews thought Christ was rebelling.. would you agree with them?

When the peasants of Northern Germany wanted the same for themselves...Luther, siding with German authorities slaughtered them en masse.

Citing the New Testament, Luther argued that Christians must "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's" meaning that in temporal affairs God expects Christians to obey those in authority , no matter how tyrannical their rule. ... his principle is still a matter of discussion in the church today

Luther = very evil man

And Luther smiles

Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

11 posted on 10/31/2010 1:19:28 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Some call me harpy..God calls me His)
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To: Tribemike1
Imagine if you disobyed the laws of the land...didn’t pay tazes, etc...and used Luther’s argument...unless I can be convinced from the Constitution alone...I will not obey. Sounds nice but it is actually personal rebellion.

We need a lot more "personal rebellion" in this country, then.

625 posted on 11/04/2010 11:31:18 AM PDT by Sloth (Civil disobedience? I'm afraid only the uncivil kind is going to cut it this time.)
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To: Tribemike1
"Luther = very evil man"

I suppose to a catholic, eternally lost in feckless works based 'salvation,' and without the love of Jesus Christ, or the word of God, that might seem to be true, but the Gospel of Jesus Christ was reserrected from a 1200 year grave through Luther's brave actions.

1,178 posted on 11/08/2010 8:07:13 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Obamacare is America's kristallnacht !!)
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To: Tribemike1; Notwithstanding
I would not call him evil -- he started off meaning to reform from within and he was appalled by the guys who came later and used his reformation as an excuse to throw away everything.

Luther was a man of his time and the little secret is that the peasants were falling under the ways of the Anabaptists and Luther realised that without a strong force chaos can ensue. Unfortunately he thought that the strong force could come from the German princelings. He was wrong and they misused Luther to control their peasants.

I like to believe and from my readings of Luther, think I'm correct, that Luther sincerely meant to reform the Church not break away and he seems to have been taken away by the storms of change around him and the way the political class used him to break away from the Hapsburgs
4,230 posted on 12/02/2010 4:56:22 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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