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To: metmom; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; bkaycee
Do lots of people lying together make something true?

First I never said anyone deliberately lied. People write what they believe and if their beliefs are false, it is not a deliberate lie.

Second, what is "lots" of people? Eight or nine?

Third, in the NT case, they are all from the same community, the same religious party. You think the records of MSNBC can be trusted to tell the truth without comparing them to what Fox News has to say for at least some degree of balance? I don't think so. And in the New Testament case, there is no other source to compare it to, so it's a biased account, by all standards because it represents a one-sided view.

As for cooridnating their sotries, yes there was that too. Look at the so-called Synoptic Gospels, where not only verses but whole paragraphs are copied verbatim, especially in Mark's and Matthews' versions, and also between Matthews's and Luke's. The PC term for that is "harmonziing."

But when you have sources from opposing communities writing about the same event or the same person, there's a pretty good chance they didn't sit down to coordinate what they will say.

It's difficult to believe you don't that. So, why are you twisting and spinning?

4,502 posted on 12/03/2010 11:23:13 AM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50; annalex; Cronos; stfassisi; MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; ...
First I never said anyone deliberately lied. People write what they believe and if their beliefs are false, it is not a deliberate lie.

On the contrary, when you stated that the NT was written to make it look like OT prophecy was fulfilled, that is stating that it was written with deliberate intent to deceive.

You are then, in effect, telling us that Matthew, and all the other writers of the Bible lied.

In addition, by claiming that, you are accusing the Catholic church of deliberately perpetrating a falsehood, aka a lie.

What's worse, and really most pathetic, is that the members of the church that you accuse of lying, applaud your posts and gush about how you've helped *strengthen their faith*.

Attacking the veracity of Scripture, which the Catholic church claims it's based on, is also attacking the veracity of the Catholic church itself. And yet we hear what from the Catholics on this board? Nothing....

And why is that I wonder? Could it be that their desire to see the basis of Protestantism trashed overrides their fidelity to the written word of God itself. What the hey, they have Tradition to fall back on if the Bible is discredited. it won't affect THEIR church any.

4,517 posted on 12/03/2010 2:26:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: kosta50; annalex; Cronos; stfassisi; MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; ...
First I never said anyone deliberately lied. People write what they believe and if their beliefs are false, it is not a deliberate lie.

On the contrary, when you stated that the NT was written to make it look like OT prophecy was fulfilled, that is stating that it was written with deliberate intent to deceive.

You are then, in effect, telling us that Matthew, and all the other writers of the Bible lied.

In addition, by claiming that, you are accusing the Catholic church of deliberately perpetrating a falsehood, aka a lie.

What's worse, and really most pathetic, is that the members of the church that you accuse of lying, applaud your posts and gush about how you've helped *strengthen their faith*.

Attacking the veracity of Scripture, which the Catholic church claims it's based on, is also attacking the veracity of the Catholic church itself. And yet we hear what from the Catholics on this board? Nothing....

And why is that I wonder? Could it be that their desire to see the basis of Protestantism trashed overrides their fidelity to the written word of God itself. What the hey, they have Tradition to fall back on if the Bible is discredited. it won't affect THEIR church any.

I'm not the one twisting and spinning trying to explain away the NT as just another piece of fiction. That's your department.

So why are you on the RF anyway, attacking the very foundation of faith for millions of people? Why are you trying to convince so many people that the Bible is just another book and that there is no God? By your posts there's no apparent sincere desire to learn. What are you gaining by it? What do you hope to accomplish?

4,519 posted on 12/03/2010 2:31:15 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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