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To: kosta50; annalex; Cronos; stfassisi; MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar; ...
First I never said anyone deliberately lied. People write what they believe and if their beliefs are false, it is not a deliberate lie.

On the contrary, when you stated that the NT was written to make it look like OT prophecy was fulfilled, that is stating that it was written with deliberate intent to deceive.

You are then, in effect, telling us that Matthew, and all the other writers of the Bible lied.

In addition, by claiming that, you are accusing the Catholic church of deliberately perpetrating a falsehood, aka a lie.

What's worse, and really most pathetic, is that the members of the church that you accuse of lying, applaud your posts and gush about how you've helped *strengthen their faith*.

Attacking the veracity of Scripture, which the Catholic church claims it's based on, is also attacking the veracity of the Catholic church itself. And yet we hear what from the Catholics on this board? Nothing....

And why is that I wonder? Could it be that their desire to see the basis of Protestantism trashed overrides their fidelity to the written word of God itself. What the hey, they have Tradition to fall back on if the Bible is discredited. it won't affect THEIR church any.

4,517 posted on 12/03/2010 2:26:56 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom; annalex; stfassisi; MarkBsnr; Cronos
On the contrary, when you stated that the NT was written to make it look like OT prophecy was fulfilled, that is stating that it was written with deliberate intent to deceive

On the contrary, we don't know why it was written to look like OT prophesies were fulfilled. The reasons can be many.

In addition, by claiming that, you are accusing the Catholic church of deliberately perpetrating a falsehood, aka a lie.

The Catholic Church holds a very pious faith which has been consistent for at least 19 centuries. I am willing to say that neither the first Christians nor the Catholic Church deliberately lied about things, but based their conclusions on their faith, notable exceptions notwithstanding.

Attacking the veracity of Scripture, which the Catholic church claims it's based on, is also attacking the veracity of the Catholic church itself. And yet we hear what from the Catholics on this board?

The veracity of scriptures is a matter of faith, not fact. I only raise questions about biblical facts, i.e. what's in the Bible, not what people want to believe.

Could it be that their desire to see the basis of Protestantism trashed overrides their fidelity to the written word of God itself. What the hey, they have Tradition to fall back on if the Bible is discredited. it won't affect THEIR church any

Catholics don't want to see Protestantism thrashed. They don't believe in God who hates, but who teaches them to love even their enemies, and to pray for them.

Some of them have earnestly disagreed with me over the scriptures and respectably so (annalex, MarkBsnr, stfassisi, etc). They know that despite my agnosis I do not have anything personally against the Church or against God, whoever or whatever he may be, and that my comments are expressions of doubts, believing that even St. Thomas was an Apostle and was not anathematized for his doubts.

Most Catholics are realistic enough to know that what men do is not perfect, but they also believe that the scriptures, despite physical corruption, contain true faith discernable to believers and knowable to the Church since the day of the Pentecost. That's why they depend on the unchanged teachings of the Holy Tradition, the Apostolic and Church Fathers and Church Councils as backup and a source of proper interpretation of the faith.

Most of them actually feel sorry for the likes of me and pray to God every day that I regain my faith and return to the Church. You see, mm, they do this because they are actually Christians, who practice what they preach, and believe that mercy triumphs over judgment.

Who knows, maybe even you could spiritually profit from their example.

4,538 posted on 12/03/2010 4:37:16 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: metmom; kosta50; Cronos; stfassisi; MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar
the members of the church that you accuse of lying, applaud your posts and gush about how you've helped *strengthen their faith*.

Kosta's posts point out one truth: that either the scripture came from a single source and that it why it shows consistency of story and doctrine, or it is a harmonization of previously discordant stories. I beleive the former, and so I belive in inerrancy of the scripture as a product of the inerrant Catholic Church. Kosta doesn't believe in much, but at least he doesn't believe in scripture dropping down from heaven in King James version. Further, Kosta's unbelief is an informed one. If he chooses to belief, he will have it right, -- which I cannot say for Protestantism which is error upon error and falsehood upon falsehood without a hope of getting unraveled.

5,041 posted on 12/09/2010 5:32:36 AM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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