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To: metmom; MarkBsnr; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; Belteshazzar
Mark: All remission of sins depends on repentence, but Jesus will draw all men to Him. That is mercy, and not justice.

met: Then what’s the purpose of penance?

you neglect the point of Mark's post. He does not say penance is pointless as, as per M's post: "all remission of sins depends on repentence" -- since there is a dependence, the post indicates that this has a point. Now the second point is that "Jesus will draw all men to Him" -- that's a nice way of saying that God came for all men, but note that that does not indicate in any way that all men will be saved or have their sins remitted.

Jesus will draw all to Him, but many may resist. In either way, you are appending to Mark's post.

All pardon for sins ultimately comes from Christ’s finished work on Calvary.

Penance shows that we truly repent our sins.

Baptism was given to take away the sin inherited from Adam (original sin) and any sins we personally committed before baptism—sins we personally commit are called actual sins, because they come from our own acts. Thus on the day of Pentecost, Peter told the crowds, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38), and when Paul was baptized he was told, "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16). And so Peter later wrote, "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. 3:21).

Post baptism, the sins that we accumulate must be truly repented for us to receive the cleaning grace that is Christ's forgiveness. These do not "clean us" but they are the sign to God that we truly wish to be clean -- HE cleans us
3,936 posted on 12/01/2010 5:11:48 AM PST by Cronos (Et Verbum caro factum est et habitavit in nobis (And the word was made flesh, and dwelt amonst us))
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To: Cronos
Penance shows that we truly repent our sins.

No. Not willfully doing that sin again shows that we've repented of it.

We can show that we're sorry for our sins without making a spectacle of it by doing works, but by living righteously.

It's a lot harder to do that then spend a few minutes after confession saying your Hail Mary's, Our Fathers' and Rosary, if we've been that bad.

The problem with confession is that there's no motivation to not sin again. All you have to do is go next Saturday, confess and get your new set of penance to do and voila' you're done.

3,959 posted on 12/01/2010 6:52:33 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Cronos
Post baptism, the sins that we accumulate must be truly repented for us to receive the cleaning grace that is Christ's forgiveness. These do not "clean us" but they are the sign to God that we truly wish to be clean -- HE cleans us

Repent and be saved. Don't repent, and suffer the eternal darkness. Pretty clear.

4,049 posted on 12/01/2010 6:06:16 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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