One more time..why did jesus come again?
I saw a lot of that kind of thinking on the creation/evolution threads from the most vehement God and Christ hating atheists. Lots of people think they can do a better job than God did and condemn Him because of that. So they sit in judgment of God and condemn His works and how He does things, as if they’re better , smarter, or more righteous than God is.
The problem is, the only way to deal with their sinfulness is to have it forgiven. The way I see it is that they charge God with evil in the apparent hope that they can somehow hold God hostage to not charginge them with evil while they continue to live in it.
It appears that there is no end of people who would charge God with evil or make Him to be evil.
Where does it say that?
The angel fell through pride and thus satan/demonic.
Where does it say that?
Man had a choice and failed on his own - go back to where he was given dominion and how he chose to do what 'he' wanted with that authority.
What's dominion got to do with man's fall? Adam failed because he listened to Eve and Eve says she was 'enticed' by the serpent. Have you ever made a stupid mistake? Do your descendants deserve to suffer for it?
But, the important thing is: God would have known this from all eternity, and he still created a world that was bound to fail, that was sure to fall into sin, just so God can go on a suicidal mission to "fix" his mangum opus, not to talk all misery, and unnecessary suffering!
If I really hate mold, but consciously allow it to fester and spread, and then reach for drastic measure to clean it up, that doesn't sound like a very good plan to me.
The only way that would happen if he made us like robots. LOVE doesn't control.
And what do you think you are going to be in heaven? Love doesn't have to control you to make you not desire sin. If man's nature were made to detest sin, you wold never sin, naturally. So why not just cut out all the drama, blood and gust and go straight for the finished product?
GOD didn't design the world to fail.
Then why did it fail? Against God's will? Are you serious? If you are, yours is a strange religion, imo. And if the world did not fail, why was Jesus sent to rescue it? Why is he called the Savior?
It only could be reclaimed by 'man' since it was 'man' that had dominion here
Is that a fact? You mean to tell me that God was powerless to fix it otherwise? He absolutely had no other choice? He was obligated? Compelled? Forced? Cornered? Like I said, I don't' believe in your God, for sure, for he seems to be no God, but a victim of man, who waits for a perfect Man to fix things.
God is Good, God is Love - man is not
But nothing could stop God, if he is God, from making man good and making sure he remained good. He didn't. Your "God," on the other hand, is obviously not capable or willing to do that, but rather keeps fixing everything the tenants break.
What you seem to want is someone controlling you so you don't have to make a choice and still be safe. A controlling spirit is demonic and has it's roots in witchcraft - it's a form of manipulation which satan used from the beginnining.
And what do you call when you say that God gave you faith, or an indwelling Spirit? What does that faith and Spirit do? And what do you say when Paul says you are a slave to Christ? You submission to him is a safe limo ride to heaven.
The choice is theirs. Adam/Eve were given a GIFT
The forbidden fruit? Some gift!
also, and they traded it for deception. Again, there is nothing new under the sun.
Oh so melodramatic, let me get my popcorn out...How do you know you have not been deceived? Even the Bible you worship says Satan can appear as the Angel of Light.
And if the ancestral parents were deceived was that really their fault? Do you think they were that dumb as to realize they were being deceived and said "oh, we are being deceived...but let's do this anyway!" If you have been deceived, you may be dumb, but you are still a victim. And victims hardly deserve what Adam and Eve got.