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To: presently no screen name; getoffmylawn; metmom
God planted the tree and created an angel, Lucifer - ALL GOOD

Where does it say that?

The angel fell through pride and thus satan/demonic. 

Where does it say that?

Man had a choice and failed on his own - go back to where he was given dominion and how he chose to do what 'he' wanted with that authority. 

What's dominion got to do with man's fall? Adam failed because he listened to Eve and Eve says she was 'enticed' by the serpent.  Have you ever made a stupid mistake? Do your descendants deserve to suffer for it?

But, the important thing is: God would have known this from all eternity, and he still created a world that was bound to fail, that was sure to fall into sin, just so God can go on a suicidal mission to "fix" his mangum opus, not to talk all misery, and unnecessary suffering!

If I really hate mold, but consciously allow it to fester and spread, and then reach for drastic measure to clean it up, that doesn't sound like a very good plan to me.

The only way that would happen if he made us like robots. LOVE doesn't control. 

And what do you think you are going to be in heaven? Love doesn't have to control you to make you not desire sin. If man's nature were made to detest sin, you wold never sin, naturally. So why not just cut out all the drama, blood and gust and go straight for the finished product?

GOD didn't design the world to fail.

Then why did it fail? Against God's will?  Are you serious? If you are, yours is a strange religion, imo. And if the world did not fail, why was Jesus sent to rescue it? Why is he called the Savior?

 It only could be reclaimed by 'man' since it was 'man' that had dominion here

Is that a fact?  You mean to tell me that God was powerless to fix it otherwise? He absolutely had no other choice? He was obligated? Compelled? Forced? Cornered? Like I said, I don't' believe in your God, for sure, for he seems to be no God, but a victim of man, who waits for a perfect Man to fix things.

God is Good, God is Love - man is not

But nothing could stop God, if he is God, from making man good and making sure he remained good. He didn't.  Your "God," on the other hand, is obviously not capable or willing to do that, but rather keeps fixing everything the tenants break.

What you seem to want is someone controlling you so you don't have to make a choice and still be safe. A controlling spirit is demonic and has it's roots in witchcraft - it's a form of manipulation which satan used from the beginnining.

And what do you call when you say that God gave you faith, or an indwelling Spirit? What does that faith and Spirit do? And what do you say when Paul says you are a slave to Christ? You submission to him is a safe limo ride to heaven.

The choice is theirs. Adam/Eve were given a GIFT

The forbidden fruit? Some gift!

also, and they traded it for deception. Again, there is nothing new under the sun.

Oh so melodramatic, let me get my popcorn out...How do you know you have not been deceived? Even the Bible you worship says Satan can appear as the Angel of Light.

And if the ancestral parents were deceived was that really their fault? Do you think they were that dumb as to realize they were being deceived and said "oh, we are being deceived...but let's do this anyway!" If you have been deceived, you may be dumb, but you are still a victim. And victims hardly deserve what Adam and Eve got.

3,598 posted on 11/29/2010 6:29:07 PM PST by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: kosta50
I did not read your whole post - I don't entertain perversion.

just so God can go on a suicidal mission to "fix" his mangum opus, not to talk all misery, and unnecessary suffering!....Your "God," on the other hand, is obviously not capable or willing to do that, but rather keeps fixing everything the tenants break.

This is blasphemy against God. DON'T come on this RF forum and openly blaspheme God. IMO, you do not belong on his God-fearing website. As Jim says..."As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God"

Take your pagan beliefs elsewhere where ridicule of God would be welcomed. There is no need to question your intentions of being here - you make them blatantly obvious.

3,603 posted on 11/29/2010 7:13:03 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: kosta50

Point for point. Very good.


3,764 posted on 11/30/2010 5:19:42 PM PST by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so..)
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