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To: The Theophilus
Paul went before the Bereans

I absolutely agree that St. Paul taught the Old Testament as well as yet-unwritten Gospel. But in 2 Thessalonians 2:14 the "tradition" is something the Thessaloninas learned form either source; it is therefore not just the Old Testament tradition but what St. Paul wrote about, and he wrote as a part of the New Testament. He did not write any part of the Old Testament.

you are making a distinction between 'παραδόεις' and 'πατρικαι παραδόεις'. Which is fine, because I would like to see how you harmonize your personal defintion with how its used in Galatians 1:14

There is no distinction that would be pertinent to us. Both the Jewish tradition and the Christian tradition are a larger body than the corresponding scripture, and both traditions control the correct reading of the scripture.

I don't think we need to discuss Dei Verbum since it is of no authority to you. I am pretty sure there is nothing in it that contradicts what I said here. Ask any Catholic Authority how do we know that Mary died a virgin and he will tell you, correctly, that we know that from the Holy Tradition.

2,285 posted on 11/16/2010 7:12:40 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex; The Theophilus
Ask any Catholic Authority how do we know that Mary died a virgin and he will tell you, correctly, that we know that from the Holy Tradition.

Is this because Holy Tradition teaches that Mary is the spouse of the Holy Spirit?

2,288 posted on 11/16/2010 7:18:48 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: annalex
Ask any Catholic Authority how do we know that Mary died a virgin and he will tell you, correctly, that we know that from the Holy Tradition.

Which leaves Holy Tradition at odds with the Holy Scriptures. Its one thing to do like the Mormons and alter doctrine over time, sort of like changing the rules in Poker in mid game, but according to Matthew's Gospel 1:24-25, Joseph is in the historical record as "knowing" his wife. Furthermore, both the LV and the TR include language that says that Mary had other sons. That is historical fact according to Matthew. If Holy Tradition now comes around and supersedes historical facts, then either Tradition is wrong or the Gospels is not Divinely Inspired making it less than Holy. You can't have something in realty happen and simultaneously not have it happen.

Virginity is not defined in terms of Quantum Mechanics.

2,291 posted on 11/16/2010 7:28:11 PM PST by The Theophilus
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