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Anyone placing themselves (their souls) under 'man' have no chance of surviving and are tainted by the sins they placed themselves under.

The child is not judged for the sins of his parents. Neither is the Catholic judged for the sins of Church officials.

Catholics allegiance is to a church. Christians (His Body of Christ) has allegiance only to God/Jesus is The Word. Only ONE of those ways is right. Not a difficult choice.

The Catholic Church IS the Body of Christ and is therefore the only choice. Historically, there is no denying that He founded the Catholic Church. There is no historically serious claim (with details) that the Church has ever diverged from Christ's original teaching. Objectively secular historians understand this. Only Protestants live in stark denial of the basic historical record.

God designed it so the Spotless Lamb, the Christ of the Living God, is the Head of His Church and everyone of His children go directly to HIM. There is no 'man' to taint us.

Christ appointed Peter and his successors to be His earthly stewards. How can you rebel against His leadership decision in this regard?

I find it ironic - Catholics want to go directly to Heaven but they don't want to go directly to HIM in prayer

This is 100% false. Are you intentionally lying?

, in belief in HIM/HIS Word alone. They are taught to go to Mary for some things, a priest/confession for others, dead saints for another, the church for another, allegiance to a 'man' Pope, the catechism, church doctrine, etc. They are taught all those have answers for them. While JESUS is the ONLY answer for everything and HIS children know that. And His children have nothing to survive because they don't align themselves with man but their SAVIOR alone.

Let Jesus be Jesus. You have no authority to redefine His teaching. I could understand if you had questions about the historical authenticity of Church teaching and wanted to investigate further, but you are not saying that. You pronounce your own infallible doctrine heedless of what Jesus taught, implying that your authority is greater than His.

1,655 posted on 11/13/2010 9:25:21 AM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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Let Jesus be Jesus. You have no authority to redefine His teaching. I could understand if you had questions about the historical authenticity of Church teaching and wanted to investigate further, but you are not saying that. You pronounce your own infallible doctrine heedless of what Jesus taught, implying that your authority is greater than His.

Could you point us to the infallible teachings on Jesus's teachings on apostolic succession, the papacy, immaculate conception, assumption, 7 sacraments...etc.. I am interested in their infallible roots

1,676 posted on 11/13/2010 12:25:13 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Neither is the Catholic judged for the sins of Church officials.

Catholics willingly follow their dictates and that doesn't sound like people who want nothing to do with sin. Christians follow Christ and HIS WORD ALONE. JESUS, The LIVING WORD, the SPOTLESS LAMB.

The Catholic Church IS the Body of Christ and is therefore the only choice.

You start out with the wrong premise. Since there is good and evil, there is NOT only ONE choice but there is only ONE WAY. And that WAY is JESUS, The Living Word. There is ONLY one TRUTH and that truth resides in God's Word ONLY. The RCC does NOT follow God's Word ALONE and no one can dispute that.

There is no historically serious claim (with details) that the Church has ever diverged from Christ's original teaching

The list is endless where they have diverged from God's Word. Have you not taken 'seriously' Scripture that has exposed their deceptive teachings/doctrines. Maryology is JUST one and they made THEIR OWN WAY against "THE ONLY WAY" with that one.

Christ appointed Peter and his successors to be His earthly stewards. How can you rebel against His leadership decision in this regard?

When you start out wrong, you end up wrong. Peter was not appointed. Jesus Christ is the HEAD of HIS CHURCH, He's the HEAD and HIS children (individuals) are His Body. You seem to think Jesus is not alive. God's Kingdom is not an earthly kingdom - that's satan kingdom. God's children are 'in this world' but NOT 'of this world'. Christians follow 'heavenly' (God) dictates not 'earthly' (man) dictates. The Catholics follow man dictates of The RCC where seducing spirits thrive.

I find it ironic - Catholics want to go directly to Heaven but they don't want to go directly to HIM in prayer.....This is 100% false. Are you intentionally lying?

ARE you saying this is NOT true?
They are taught to go to Mary for some things, a priest/confession for others, dead saints for another, the church for another, allegiance to a 'man' Pope, the catechism, church doctrine...

Now who is intentionally lying?

Let Jesus be Jesus. You have no authority to redefine His teaching.

Coming from a Catholic, that is rich.

First of all, JESUS "IS" - there is no 'letting' Him anything. HE is the GREAT I AM. Jesus IS THE REDEEMER - the RCC says there is a co-redeemer and every other heresy title given to Mary has redefine what God says in HIS WORD. And YOU tell me not to redefine His teachings? Do you think I'm the Vatican?

I could understand if you had questions about the historical authenticity of Church teaching and wanted to investigate further, but you are not saying that.

You got that right. I have NO MORE questions - I left the counterfeit church. All the answers are in God's Word ALONE. And His Spirit lives within me who guides me into all Truth.

You pronounce your own infallible doctrine heedless of what Jesus taught, implying that your authority is greater than His.

Don't speak lies when the truth will do. GREATER is HE WHO IS IN me, that he who is in the world. God's Word ALONE - HIS WORD REIGNS - IT ALWAYS WAS and ALWAYS WILL BE. That's THE AUTHORITY I STAND ON! For some reason that grates you, so be it. It's comes from wanting to bring me down to your level with tainted heresy earthly man made teachings. IT will NEVER happened! PRAISE GOD for HIS WORD!

It is ALL about JESUS, THE LIVING WORD! never man.
1,684 posted on 11/13/2010 2:58:03 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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