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To: Dr. Eckleburg
What do you think about JPII kissing the Koran?

That was deplorable but not nearly as bad as his large-scale appointment of homosexuals to the episcopate. By the way, there is no real pedophile priest problem. Most all the abuses are against teenage boys, so the problem is with homosexuals, not pedophiles. The miracle of the Church is that it can survive popes like John Paul II.

Despite infestation of the hierarchy by homosexuals, the doctrine on morality has never changed. What protects Catholic teaching while mainline Protestant doctrine folds under similar pressure? It could only be the miraculous power of the Holy Spirit.

Holy Inquisition has renewed and restored the hierarchy repeatedly. It will eventually be brought back and the ranks of bishops and priests will be cleansed once again.

1,620 posted on 11/12/2010 7:44:11 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
The miracle of the Church is that it can survive popes like John Paul II.

Anyone placing themselves (their souls) under 'man' have no chance of surviving and are tainted by the sins they placed themselves under.

Catholics allegiance is to a church. Christians (His Body of Christ) has allegiance only to God/Jesus is The Word.

Only ONE of those ways is right. Not a difficult choice.

God designed it so the Spotless Lamb, the Christ of the Living God, is the Head of His Church and everyone of His children go directly to HIM. There is no 'man' to taint us.

I find it ironic - Catholics want to go directly to Heaven but they don't want to go directly to HIM in prayer, in belief in HIM/HIS Word alone. They are taught to go to Mary for some things, a priest/confession for others, dead saints for another, the church for another, allegiance to a 'man' Pope, the catechism, church doctrine, etc. They are taught all those have answers for them.

While JESUS is the ONLY answer for everything and HIS children know that. And His children have nothing to survive because they don't align themselves with man but their SAVIOR alone.
1,628 posted on 11/12/2010 8:50:58 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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To: mas cerveza por favor; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
The miracle of the Church is that it can survive popes like John Paul II.

Whatever happened to *infallible in the matter of faith and morals*?

If the RCC has popes in it like JPII, then what about all the decisions he makes? What about the blessings on others that he allegedly bestows? Are they not valid?

Aren't Catholics obligated to follow the pope at risk of losing their salvation if they don't?

How could the Church make such a *mistake* as appointing a *bad* pope?

1,631 posted on 11/12/2010 9:03:07 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Dr. Eckleburg

“Holy Inquisition has renewed and restored the hierarchy repeatedly. It will eventually be brought back and the ranks of bishops and priests will be cleansed once again.”

And there are so many more Jews and heretics to burn and behead now, too!


1,644 posted on 11/12/2010 11:03:14 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor; Dr. Eckleburg
The miracle of the Church is that it can survive popes like John Paul II....Holy Inquisition has renewed and restored the hierarchy repeatedly. It will eventually be brought back and the ranks of bishops and priests will be cleansed once again.

If John Paul II was in charge, the "Holy" Inquisition would never touch him. He is, after all, the leader of the Church. What the Inquisition really advocates is those enemies of the Pope to be "cleansed". So, in a very real sense the Inquisition (not withstanding the Jews and Muslims who were burned at the state) really got rid of the "good" Catholics who disagreed with the Church while reinforcing the bad. By nature, if you disagreed with the Church's right to have an Inquisition, then you must be a heretic subject to the Inquisition. Instead of purging itself of corrupt people at the top, the Church reinforced corruption while eliminating true believers.

Those who were unhappy with Catholic doctrine who weren't murdered left. Hence you see the Orthodox leaving in 1000AD, you see people leaving in the 13th century with the Church imposed requirement to fight in "Holy" Wars, and again the Reformers leaving in 1500AD because of the false doctrine. All the while Catholics keep yelling they are the true Church. A more modern approach for Protestants is that people who are not happy just simply pick up their share of the denomination and walk out; not unlike the Lutherans or Presbyterians. Unfortunately, this isn't an option for the "true" Church.

You will never cleanse the ranks of bishops and priests because the whole system is corrupted. What are you going to do about the homosexual Cardinals? And one day, probably not in the too distance future, you will most likely have a homosexual Pope. Is it any wonder that most Catholics today are Catholics in name only?

1,679 posted on 11/13/2010 12:52:15 PM PST by HarleyD
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