What does this have to do with paganism, and Mary, and the irony of your post? Get a grip, NL. The last time you went off, it resulted in an attempted internet exorcism. You are the one demanding proof of ‘unsubstantiated claims’. Don’t get itchy with me. Just get your ‘substantiated claims’ together and post them. Otherwise, if the prada fits....
It has nothing to do with paganism and that is precisely the point. You are perfectly free to believe or not believe anything you want. The same goes for anyone on these threads, but you (pl) don't get to make unsubstantiated false claims and lie about what I or Catholics in general believe and then demand that the refutation be substantiated. 99/100 time even the substantiation is rejected in favor of even bigger lies dredged up off of suspect or banned websites.
It still puzzles me, though, why anyone would spend so many waking moments in a finite life dredging up false accusations and misinterpretations of the inner workings and dearest beliefs of an organization they don't belong to and don't intend to join. I think malicious busybodies accurately characterizes them. Powerless in their own lives and powerless to make changes in that which they criticize they make strawmen that they can feel superior to, even when deep inside they realize the irony of the lie.
Looks like you really hit a nerve.....