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To: smvoice
"Get a grip, NL."

It has nothing to do with paganism and that is precisely the point. You are perfectly free to believe or not believe anything you want. The same goes for anyone on these threads, but you (pl) don't get to make unsubstantiated false claims and lie about what I or Catholics in general believe and then demand that the refutation be substantiated. 99/100 time even the substantiation is rejected in favor of even bigger lies dredged up off of suspect or banned websites.

It still puzzles me, though, why anyone would spend so many waking moments in a finite life dredging up false accusations and misinterpretations of the inner workings and dearest beliefs of an organization they don't belong to and don't intend to join. I think malicious busybodies accurately characterizes them. Powerless in their own lives and powerless to make changes in that which they criticize they make strawmen that they can feel superior to, even when deep inside they realize the irony of the lie.

1,277 posted on 11/10/2010 4:49:18 PM PST by Natural Law (lex orandi, lex credendi, lex vivendi)
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To: Natural Law

That’s the point of irony, NL. Let’s take Mary’s Assumption for one example. It is not a lie to claim that Catholics believe that Mary was assumed to heaven. So, as a non-believer in that claim, why can’t I ask that to be substantiated? It is not biblical. OTOH, when someone else claims that Mary worship is pagan in origin, as a non-believer you should be able to ask that it be substantiated. But do NOT demand that one produce evidence while another is just accepted without question. Which is what you attempted to do. THAT is the irony. I’m not outraged that you cannot/will not prove your conviction. I’m just not buying it. I consider it a lie. Just like you consider paganism regarding Mary a lie. It’s like you want to believe what you believe and state it without anyone disagreeing. That works in a caucus thread but not on open threads. Believe what you want, but just because your religion teaches/believes it doesn’t make it true for everyone.


1,280 posted on 11/10/2010 5:24:16 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: Natural Law; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
It still puzzles me, though, why anyone would spend so many waking moments in a finite life dredging up false accusations and misinterpretations of the inner workings and dearest beliefs of an organization they don't belong to and don't intend to join.

You tell us. Your posting history is replete with that.

I think malicious busybodies accurately characterizes them.

And Catholics by the standard you just set up in the previous sentence.

Powerless in their own lives and powerless to make changes in that which they criticize they make strawmen that they can feel superior to, even when deep inside they realize the irony of the lie.

And you (again) by the standard you just set up in the sentence before last.

It seems that you also fail to see the irony in the statements you made about non-Catholics.

1,289 posted on 11/10/2010 5:50:08 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Natural Law
dearest beliefs of an organization they don't belong to and don't intend to join

BINGO! An organization. And a reminder - many left that organization and are now a part of The Body of Christ.

but you (pl) don't get to make unsubstantiated false claims and lie about what I or Catholics in general believe

It's not what Catholics believe - since those beliefs are so wide and varied. It's the heresy the Vatican proclaims - that they are the true church of Jesus Christ. They are an organization with their own belief system, own doctrine - truly the counterfeit church. An organization which calls itself a true church - true to deception. Where they attempt to make deception appear as truth for it's followers.

Christians - those who are 'in Christ' who believe in His Word ALONE for HE is The Living Word.
Catholics - those who are in an organization whose beliefs are based on man made teaching/doctrine/tradition.

Two different belief systems.
1,306 posted on 11/10/2010 6:27:04 PM PST by presently no screen name ("Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down.." Mark 7:13)
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