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To: Belteshazzar
What is here being asserted is that the Church is superior, because the Church gave birth to the Bible, not the other way around.

The Church gave birth to the New Testament, and it canonized and correctly explained the Old Testament, but she did not give birth to the Old Testament, that was the work of Moses and other prophets, all under divine inspiration of course. With this correction, yes, you got it right: "not the other way around".

Mary gave birth to Jesus. Ergo, Mary is superior in authority and stature to her Child

The analogy is invalid for two reasons. First, Christ did not say anything similar about His Blessed Mother that He did say about the Church. For the analogy to work one should find Christ saying something like "What my Mother binds on Earth I will bind in heaven". There is no such statement.

Second, you analogize things that cannot be analogized. It is true that the Church gave us the New Testament, and also that Mary gave birth to Jesus. It is also true that as a general rule if X makes Y then X has superior authority over Y. However, while the Church most certainly made the New Testament under divine guidance, Mary did not make Jesus. Unlike a book, no matter how holy, Jesus is not an object that had been created. The Incarnation is a singular event that cannot be analogized in such manner.

Without the Holy Scriptures the Catholic Church is nothing

This is plainly not true. With or without the Scripture the sacraments of the Church remain and the institutions of the Church remains. All that happens is that written teaching becomes oral teaching.

1,145 posted on 11/08/2010 5:32:59 PM PST by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex

In response to my statement:
“Without the Holy Scriptures the Catholic Church is nothing.”

annalex wrote:
“This is plainly not true. With or without the Scripture the sacraments of the Church remain and the institutions of the Church remains. All that happens is that written teaching becomes oral teaching.”

Your reasoning is pretty close to that of the chief priests, the scribes, and the elders of Israel as they debated the meaning of the Holy Scriptures with Jesus. That didn’t work out so well for them as I seem to recall. But maybe, like Nancy Pelosi, you’re convinced that the problem of Roman teaching is just one of communication not substance. Enjoy the delusion while it lasts.


1,155 posted on 11/08/2010 6:24:38 PM PST by Belteshazzar
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Belteshazzar: Without the Holy Scriptures the Catholic Church is nothing

Annalex: This is plainly not true. With or without the Scripture the sacraments of the Church remain and the institutions of the Church remains. All that happens is that written teaching becomes oral teaching.

Just wow. The RCC doesn't need the Word of God. Straight from a Catholic's keyboard.

Another one for your list, gamecock.

1,158 posted on 11/08/2010 6:37:26 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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