Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
This is the first thing you've said in a long time that I agree with.
What exactly is "genetic Israel"? Does is include anyone with Semitic blood? Anyone with a single Jewish ancestor? Are the Catholics of Spain, 20% of whom have Sephardic blood, part of "genetic Israel"? What about those converts to Judaism who have no genetic ties to Israel? What about the vast number of Eastern European Jews who have no genetic linkage to the Holy Land? What about the large number of middle eastern Muslims who have Jewish ancestry?
I think you have latched onto an unsupportable hypothesis that is full of holes. Sounds like more "Swiss Cheese" theology from Geneva.
Now post some goofy picture to show your level of intellect when confronted with a confounding concept. Or better yet, just redecorate the forum again with wild colors, fonts and images that "pop. I have a gay cousin who redecorates too when ever he gets stressed or flustered as a way of demonstrating his control over his environment.
And you were speaking of the murders and tortures committed by the Colonies.
You have come up with diddle.
You have come up with diddle.
Very good. I shall contact the Smithsonian immediately and tell them that Old Reggie considers them a bunch of diddlers.
Did you learn that Mormons were Protestant in that marvelous school you went to?
The one that didn't admit idiots? It'd be slim pickings here for them.
Are Mormons not Protestant? How are they less Protestant than, for example, the Churches / Disciples of Christ? How about the Salvation Army? Pentecostals? Jehovah's Witnesses? What makes any of them more Protestant than the Mormons? Or the Mormons less Protestant than say, Benny Hinn? Give us the benefit of your wisdom, oh Solomon.
AMEN!
Funny that in some posts RC apologists claim their church is infallible and in other posts they insist just the opposite.
Like the democrats, consistency is not one of Rome's virtues.
LOL LOL ,,yea double butter
annalex answered.. Formally, the teaching authority in the Church is vested in the local bishop or more precisely the ordinary (some belong to orders that do not follow the territorial jurisdiction). One can also rely onthe publications sanctioned by the Church, e.g. consiliar documents and the Catechism. With the Internet, it is easy for anyone to educate himself, and I urge even the non-Catholics to read on what the Catholic Church proposes for their salvation.
So the church says the doctrine it develops is true ..what a surprise !!!
Would one expect them to say they were guessing? Or they thought this might be true? They make up a doctrine and then swear to it s truth
The real truth is Catholics have no sure final authority ... they must accept by faith that the pope is infallible (because he says so) They must accept what it written in the catholic documents because the church that wrote them says so
There is no sure final authority, they affirm themselves and then catholics must believe it..
Sola Ecclesia Romanus
Only the Church of Rome is the Rule of Faith
I would urge catholics to read the NT and see if what they are taught is affirmed by the scriptures..
AMEN!
No church on earth is infallible because the church on earth is made up of human beings, "lively stones" joined together by grace and made "acceptable to God by Jesus Christ."
As the WESTMINSTER CONFESSION OF FAITH reminds us...
IV. This catholic Church has been sometimes more, sometimes less visible.[8] And particular Churches, which are members thereof, are more or less pure, according as the doctrine of the Gospel is taught and embraced, ordinances administered, and public worship performed more or less purely in them.[9] V. The purest Churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error;[10] and some have so degenerated, as to become no Churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan.[11] Nevertheless, there shall be always a Church on earth to worship God according to His will.[12]
Of the Church
Here are but a few of those who were diddled. They were tried and executed by Massachusetts for being Quakers and Baptists, not witches; Roger Williams, Anne Hutchinson, William Robinson, Marmaduke Stevenson, and Mary Dyer, William Leddra, and Wenlock Christison. There are many more who were arrested, tried, tortured (physically abusive penalties and sentences, banished to the deep woods (death), and cast adrift in small boats (death) whose fate was never recorded.
”In 1631 the Court of Massachusetts explicitly ordained that the quality of a free man, that is to say, the enjoyment of full rights, should not be granted except to the members of one of the churches of the colony. The same exclusivism prevailed, if not everywhere as a written law, still less as a custom in the other colonies. The civil affairs of the community were settled in the congregations of the faithful.” (David Masson, Life of Milton, II., p. 552).
“The situation has well been summed up by the Italian writer, Ruffini. "If the intolerance of these earliest Puritan colonists," says Ruffini, "becomes indubitably apparent from the extremely severe dispositions which they adopted against the Baptists, the Quakers, the Catholics, and even against the members of the Anglican Church, who were put into a boat by the colonists of Massachusetts and sent back to England, the close union between the civil and ecclesiastical powers is shown by these not less evident signs.
In the fundamental ordinances of the colony of New Haven, Connecticut (1639), it is laid down as a supreme principle that the Government must conform in everything to the Word of God. The colony, as Bancroft observes, thus adopted the Bible as its fundamental statute. Moreover, the compulsion of conscience and the confusion of the two powers blemished those colonial laws which imposed serious punishments upon citizens who did not scrupulously fulfill their religious duties and punctually pay the contributions belonging to the church and its ministers" (Francisco Ruffini, Religious Liberty, pp. 256, 257).
The problem wasn’t limited to Massachusetts and Connecticut. In 1659, Virginia enacted anti-Quaker laws, including the death penalty for refractory Quakers. Thomas Jefferson wrote: "if no capital execution took place here, as did in New England, it was not owing to the moderation of the church, or the spirit of the legislature."
Here is some more light reading on the subject of Protestant inhumanity to Protestants. There is ample more, but I doubt that you would bother to read anything that would cause you to doubt the heresies you have dedicated your lives to anymore than you will actually bother to read what I have already provided.
Isaac Backus, A History of New England, with Particular Reference to the Denomination of Christians called Baptists. Newton, Mass., 1871. 2 volumes.
Daniel Neale, The History of New England containing an Impartial Account of the Civil and Ecclesiastical Affairs of the Country to the Year of our Lord, 1700. London, 1720. 2 volumes.
Benjamin Franklin Bronson,Palfrey on Religious Intolerance in the Colony of Massachusetts Bay, The Baptist Quarterly, VI., pp. 147-180, 280-300.
Lucius E. Smith, The New England Ecclesiastical Legislation, The Baptist Quarterly, I., pp. 81-101. Philadelphia, 1871.
Norman Fox, George Fox and the Early Friends, The Baptist Quarterly, XI., pp. 433-453. Philadelphia, 1877.
How do you know that for certain?
Wait a minute....
Now they're enlightened American colonies???
What happened to post 567 that you made? You know, the one where you said that the colonies engaged in killing and torture until the federal government put a stop to it?
Here it is again to refresh your memory....
But killing and torture of those who did not subscribe to the particular Protestant brand of each colony were, until the federal government quelled it. Massachusetts was a particularly barbaric colony, although several others vied for its level of barbarism. Where did you guys get your education? Have you no idea of what was actually done in history or do you have the usual American glaze eyed deer in the headlights stare when it comes to actual reality?
Which is it? Enlightened or murderous and barbaric?
Mark wrote... Those of us who are Christian would never post anything along those lines.
Mark, Every time a Catholic says HIS works or His law keeping is needed for salvation, that is exactly what he is saying. Every time a Catholic says they believe that THEY must do some purging before they are acceptable to God..that is exactly what they are saying . I contribute to my own salvation .. I must be good enough for God to save me..
Mark ,Jesus did not come for the righteous.. they do not need a savior.. He came for those like me..that has not one thing to commend herself to God..
RN wrote... Not of works Mark, not of works.. Christ is the author and finisher ...He saved us and He keeps us...
Mark answered Christ is not the author of the horrendous arena of Calvinist beliefs. I have an idea of where Calvinists will be kept...
I said He is the author and finisher of my faith Mark, not a church, not a doctrine ...
AMEN!
All righteousness that we possess, all good works that we do, all faith that we believe, is a free gift from God to those who do not deserve any of them. The reason for our salvation is not found in men, but in the goodness and mercy of God.
"When Moses prays to God not to break his covenant with Abraham, God answers, “I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” What does he mean? He means that the reason for God’s keeping some for himself and rejecting 295 others is to be sought nowhere but in God himself. When he says, “I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion,” the repetition may seem empty and dull; but it is in reality emphatic. . . . The reason for compassion is compassion itself..." -- Calvin's Commentary on Malachi
Does it take a [SARC] designator for you to recognize sarcasm?
What happened to post 567 that you made? You know, the one where you said that the colonies engaged in killing and torture until the federal government put a stop to it?
You keep making my point for me, don't you?
Which is it? Enlightened or murderous and barbaric?
Did they not teach you about literary devices in your school? I suppose that your mathematics consisted of one, two, three, many...
In spite of everything we have told you, you still get it wrong. The parable of the Prodigal Son will repudiate your little posting here quite nicely. Oh, sorry, I forgot, the Gospels do not pertain to the self-identified saved. Hmm, what Pauline verse tells of your responsibilities before the Lord in order to be saved? Do you know of any? I can fill in the rather ample gaps in your theology if required.
I said He is the author and finisher of my faith Mark, not a church, not a doctrine ...
Why do you bother if God is a puppet master and you are a robot slave? If you self identify as already being saved, why bother? Just tell me this: where is the registered mail or text message from God that says that you are saved. Otherwise, you've got nothing and are claiming what you do not possess.
Is the American public school educational system really that bad?
And that supposition is shown to be invalid by the many anti-Scriptural beliefs and practices taught by Rome.
"That God's word damns your ceremonies it is evident; for the plain and straight commandment of God is, 'Not that thing which appears good in thy eyes shalt thou do to the Lord thy God, but what the Lord thy God has commanded thee; that do thou; add nothing to it; diminish nothing from it.' Now unless you are able to prove that God has commanded your ceremonies, this his former commandment will damn both you and them." -- John Knox (Knox, Works, 1:199. Cf. Calvin, The Necessity of Reforming the Church, in Tracts, 1:128-29.)
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