Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
I'm not sure if the wail comes first or the tugging on mummy's apron strings comes first.
INDEED.
The Jews handed Jesus over to the Romans for execution and yet the blood remained on their hands. Just because they got someone else to do their dirty work doesn’t mean they weren’t responsible.
And besides, with the level of medical care available in those days, just how many of the gruesomely tortured victims would have survived anyway? The Church essentially killed them with the torture. No way they were going to survive what was done to most of them.
Matter of fact, I doubt the survival rate would be spectacular even today. There’s only so much damage that can be done to a human body before it’s injured beyond repair.
Likely all the execution did
INDEED.
Now, now, Dear Dr E.
Just because some seem eager to put you and I at the head of the new Inquisition’s torture line is no reason we should be uncharitable. After all, we ARE Proddys.
We know the Scripture about . . . counting it all joy . . .
LOL.
Bottom line, the RCC is fallible, corrupt and leads men toward the darkness of idolatry and superstition. (I’m not sure if that’s in the RCC catechism. If not, it should be.)
CERTAINLY SO, if one goes by the actions speak louder than words reality.
The individual believers are to render unto Ceasar, that which is Ceasar’s.
The church’s responsibility is to equip believers for the work of spreading the gospel.
When people’s lives are straightened out and they are living lives in line with Biblical principles, society will straighten itself out and there will be almost no need for a government, the very thing this country was founded on.
The church doesn’t need to become a political power and shouldn’t be. Our salvation is not through politics and Christ never commissioned the church to become a political power.
That in no way diminishes the rights of the citizens of United States to peacefully assemble, to associate with whom they choose, and to individually or collectively lobby or petition the government.
The Constitution places a restriction on the government establishing a church, but not churches from participating in government and doing everything within their power to shape policy and law.
lol. Amazing. And what they recognize is not the truth found in the Scriptures, but "the faith" as articulated by Rome.
And we've seen how that's working for them.
What a racist and antisemitic thing to say. Not coincidentally, it is the same thing said by Luther and the Nazi's to steal their possessions and kill millions of them. Sure makes me glad that I am not a Reformist.
Really? Where in the gospels did Jesus teach or command that?
They couldn't have just asked?
ROTFLOL!!!
Spoken like someone in a meaningless, powerless church-like organization. In the mean time we will continue to lobby, advocate, and vote.
I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken! ; )
lol. Hi, roamer! Glad you roamed over here. 8~)
I don't know...they may have said it but I don't really think they believe it.
When we were little and got in trouble (fighting with each other, disobedience, etc.) we were sometimes given the choice of punishments. We could either get a spanking with the belt by Dad or have to spend all day Saturday in our rooms. We always picked restrictions because nobody liked getting hit with the belt by Dad.
Saying The hardest penalty the Inquisition had was excommunication, and that was applied rarely is kind of like asking a person do you want to be tortured or be excommunicated? Many styles of torture had been invented during the inquisition so as to inflict the most horrific pain on the poor victim without killing them.
From the source: www.paralumun.com/inquisition.htm comes:
Millions of innocent people were tortured and murdered during the inquisition. The inquisitors followed procedures set forth by the Dominican monks of Pope Innocent V111. At first the poor accused were told to confess. They were then stripped naked, shaved, pricked with needles for insensitive spots and then examined for marks of the devil.
Before the torture started, the victim was told what was about to happen and in many cases this forced the accused to commit to whatever the inquisitors wanted.
It was noted that a person who refused to talk even under torture was being aided by the devil. While the poor victim was being tortured a clerk recorded what was said. In many cases the clerk recorded things that were not even said.
Each subsequent round of torture was much worse than the one before. The torturer was paid out of seized funds belonging to the victim. If the victim had no money then the relatives were made to pay.
While the poor victims screamed with pain the childish torturers carried on like sadistic maniacs. They sprayed their instruments with so called holy water, wore amulets, herbs and crossed themselves. The exact method of torture varied from place to place. The rack was well used in France during the inquisition.
Some victims were horsewhipped. A sharp iron fork was used to mangle breasts. Red hot pincers were used to tear off flesh. Red hot irons were inserted up (body cavities). A device named the turcas was used to tear out fingernails.
After the nails were ripped out needles were shoved into the quicks. Boots called bootikens were used to lacerate flesh and crush bone. Thumbscrews were used to crush the fingers and toes. Acid was poured on victims and hands were immersed into pots of boiling oil and water.
Eyes were gouged out by irons. Alcohol was poured on the head of the poor victim and set alight. Water was poured down the victims throat with a knotted cloth. The cloth was then jerked out tearing up the victims bowels.
There was no limit to the types and cruelty of the tortures. The inquisition meant anything was allowed. The inquisitors were sadistic and mentally disturbed.
From the book The Dark Side of Christian History by Helen Ellerbe, page 80 , Victims were tortured in one room, then, if they confessed, they were led away from the chamber into another room to confess to the inquisitors. This way it could be claimed the confessions were given without the use of force. The Inquisitional law replaced common law. Instead of innocent until proven guilty, it was guilty until proven innocent.
Inquisitors grew very rich, accepting bribes and fines from the wealthy who paid to avoid being prosecuted. The wealthy were prime targets for the church who confiscated their property, land and everything they had for generations. The Inquisition took over all of the victims' possessions upon accusation. There was very little if any chance of proving ones self innocent, so this is one way the catholic church grew very wealthy. Pope Innocent stated that since "god" punished children for the sins of their parents, they had no right to be legal heirs to the property of their parents. Unless children came forth freely to denounce their parents, they were left penniless. Inquisitors even accused the dead of heresy, in some cases, as much as seventy years after their death. They exhumed and burned the accused's bones and confiscated all property from their heirs, leaving them with nothing.
So if I was faced with the option of torture or excommunication, I'd take the out simply because I believe in what Scripture teaches and the Holy Spirit illuminates the truth in my heart. I do not need to be formally bound to a religion to be in a relationship wit God. If my choice instead is confess and forsake my faith in favor of the one in charge for the time that I know is wrong or else suffer death, there's no contest. I will die for my faith. I would refuse to allow anyone to force me to give up the truth of the Gospel.
Just doing the little reading online to put this post together made me sick. That people, who claimed to be followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, became so overcome with power, greed, blood lust, whatever, that they did these things under the illusion that they were doing it for Him, for his glory was quite disturbing. I really don't care what the times were like back then, I cannot imagine any excuse that can rationalize or justified the barbarity that was done.
I can hardly believe some actually here on this thread are advocating for its comeback. They should be ashamed and take some time off to understand what evil has taken hold of them to even bring up the idea in the first place.
Natural Law: What a racist and antisemitic thing to say.
Nope, just straight from Scripture:
Acts 2:22-23
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Acts 5:28-30
28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
I researched also on the Inquisition awhile back and read many accounts such as you posted here. Additionally there are not only written accounts...but wood drawings and artists drawings of the torture racks etc. which were built...further there was a push to see who could build one which would inflict the most pain. Many of these are in museums, which I also visited on line. You can actually see these from the chairs full of spikes to the cones they used which they let people down onto.
I could not help but wonder if the people who did this, and the Monks who stood by and recorded it all..weren't straight from the depths of hell...and yet they were under orders from the catholic leadership to do these atrocities...and the leadership was well aware these means of torture were being used.
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