Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7
In Christ Alone lyrics
Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;
In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm
What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand
In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save
?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live
There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again
And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ
Christians are. It's in the Bible that the Catholic church claims it wrote that it says is inerrant. Of course, this only applies to believers.
1 Thessalonians 4 13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brothers, about those who are asleep, that you may not grieve as others do who have no hope. 14For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so, through Jesus, God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep. 15For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord. 18Therefore encourage one another with these words.
1 Thessalonians 5 1Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. 2For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, "There is peace and security," then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. 5For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. 6So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. 9For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.
Romans 15:1-3 1 We who are strong have an obligation to bear with the failings of the weak, and not to please ourselves. 2 Let each of us please his neighbor for his good, to build him up. 3For Christ did not please himself, but as it is written, "The reproaches of those who reproached you fell on me."
Ephesians 4:29Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.
When my youngest brother was around three, he came up with this imaginary monster called a “geen gongee” (I know, even he admits now he had no idea what that meant). When we would ask him what a “geen gongee” was, he would reply, “A gonch”. When we would ask him what a “gonch” was, he would say, “A geen gongee.”. We would ask him where the geen gongee lived and he would say, “In a gonch house.”. That is sometimes what I feel like we go through debating the dyed in the wool religionists here. No real answers can come because they say things they were told yet, without doing any of their own objective research, they swallow it all. So, naturally, all that can come back up is the geen gongee/gonch conundrum - but they don't know why.
It’s surreal what Catholics do in gutting the Bible and getting away with it under Catholicism, and still think they can make it to heaven cause they did the *do*’s and didn’t do the *don’t*’s.
The Catholic church has it’s doctrinal position on Scripture but it’s of no consequence, apparently, to the average Catholic on the street. Every man is his own pope, in deciding what of the Bible to believe and what to toss. 1.2 billion versions of Catholicism. As long as you do your sacraments, everything else is irrelevant.
Catholics have *yopios* themselves, but to that they add *yopiot* (your own personal interpretation of tradition).
And it is wrong.
They have fancy rituals, nice ornamentation, and beautiful Cathedrals but without The Gospel as the foundation of their faith they are as lost as any other pagan group. In order to fill this huge hole they try and make false claims to authority and history, but the hole exists.
I'm convinced you can not reach RC's when they are busy defending their church. For them defending their church is the same as defending their faith. However, they are bleeding members because when Evangelical Christians witness to them in a personal setting they hear The Gospel and believe.
FWIW, I've gone through this with family members and in almost every case the first time I told them The Gospel they said "but I'm not changing my church". I never asked them to but almost everyone of them did. When someone truly understands the freedom of The Gospel the control of a church disappears.
It is the same thing. They put their faith in the church to save them, since the Catholic church itself teaches that there is no salvation outside of IT, which is clearly contrary to Scripture which says,
Acts 4:8-12 Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, "Rulers of the people and elders, if we are being examined today concerning a good deed done to a crippled man, by what means this man has been healed, let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well. This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."
Salvation is through a person, the person of Jesus Christ.
Not an institution.
Not a bunch of so-called *sacraments*.
Not of good works.
Through Jesus, as stated by Jesus Himself.
John 3:14-18 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up, that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
It's all about your personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Can he call you brethren.
Hebs. 2:11 For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren,
If you do, tell us what is God, what is divine?
If you haven't got past that, how could you believe in God.
I didn't say I believed in God. I said I don't believe in your God. That much I am certain. Having said that, I don't know what God is and whether God exists or not. That's not saying God doesn't exist.
You have posted - how can you believe something you don't know and that you need proof of it. So how can you claim you never said those things? Spinning?
No, just your apparent lack of comprehension of finer thought. Not knowing if something exists is not the same as saying it doesn't exist, because saying it doens't exit means you know what it is and are denying its existence.
More spinning. You do MORE than ask questions - get real.
The only spinning is you going around in circles apparently not comprehending simple logic. And yes I do more than ask question, such as having to waste time and bandwidth explaining what should be obvious to people like you.
Since you want proof and God says 'by faith' - what are you doing here?
Get lost troll! I have no right to ask theological questions? But since you brought it up, frankly I don't give a hoot what you say your God says. WHY should I believe you? And, the good thing is, I don't HAVE to, despite your intolerant attitude.
Calling His Word 'error' in many of your posts when you don't even KNOW 'What God is' - WHO God is.
I don't have to know what God is to know errors when I see them. Where does it say that you know? Do you have a certificate of authenticity? Let's see it.
You aren't here to build up but to tear down.
More mind radding (RM must be busy).
Christians live by faith, not by sight
That's fine, then state everything as faith, not fact. Every time I see faith stated as fact I ask for proof, because facts are subject to proof.
This isn't about you - it's a thread about 'IN CHRIST ALONE'. God's WORD REIGNS, Always has and Always will.
How do you know that?
getoffmylawn had a couple of posts that were made in a fashion and style reminiscent and recognizable of the Protestant crowd here, basically bashing across the board. Nothing like tasting one's own medicine, hey?
I am glad you finally realized that.
I don't entertain jihadism no matter what flavor.
I am not against God. But I am under no obligation to agree with your God or what you consider your bible or your interpretation of it.
You are making this about me. That is trolling as far as I am concerned. This is an open forum, not a caucus, and if you can't handle the heat in the kitchen, leave.
There is no way to ever determine what error is if there's no objective, absolute standard of truth by which to measure it.
Therefore, if you claim that you know error when you see it, you are by default stating that you know the truth, the absolute, objective truth, have compared the claim to that absolute, objective truth, and been able to make an accurate, objective decision on the accuracy of the claim.
Now from someone who says that they don't even know if God exists, there is no way to make that determination because anyone who claims that they don't even know if God exists can't turn around and claim that they know truth exists. God is truth. Truth cannot be separated from God.
So which is it? Is there truth? Is there God? Is there truth without God? How do you know?
Do not pride yourself too much on your intellectual or philosophical prowess. It fails miserably. It's got holes in it a second grader can see through.
Get lost troll! I have no right to ask theological questions? But since you brought it up, frankly I don't give a hoot what you say your God says. WHY should I believe you? And, the good thing is, I don't HAVE to, despite your intolerant attitude.
How tolerant of you.....
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's fine, then state everything as faith, not fact. Every time I see faith stated as fact I ask for proof, because facts are subject to proof.
And the determination that what you call facts is a subjective, philosophical determination, as is what qualifies as a *proof*. You are displaying faith in your facts, that your facts are indeed facts, and faith in your philosophical abilities that they yield an accurate, objective, correct conclusion.
The question still remains.... How can you call yourself a Christian or a Catholic or whatever it is you claim to be, when you aren't even sure that the object of that faith even exists? Are you saying that you have faith in something (God) when you don't even know if He IS?
That sounds real profound..... I believe in something that I'm not even exists.
And you get all offended when call you on it? Get real....
If you don’t see any moral obligation to encourage others, and you recognize that the exhortations apply to believers, then you are revealing that you don’t consider yourself a believer.
It’s the only way to read that.
I've been lurking for years watching the Bahble Cultists go on these vicious attacks, especially the really nasty stuff they vomit out on the Roman Catholics (you'd think the Pope ran over their dogs), and I wondered how'd they react if the tables were turned. It's been very entertaining :)
Peddle your deceptive wares somewhere else.
Looks like mind reading to me.....
This is an open forum, not a caucus, and if you can't handle the heat in the kitchen, leave.
Actually, this thread is about the Reformation. If you don't like the Reformation, why don't you take your own advice?
John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them.
Praise God for the Reformation that got people back to the truth of the Gospel and away from the lies and heresies taught by the Catholic church.
Galatians 3:1-61 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? 4 Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard? 6 So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
Praise God that the Bible got into the hands of the people and they could read for themselves what God had to say and they were set free from the bondage the Catholic church would put everyone under again.
When I first accepted Christ, I went back to the Catholic church because that’s where I was raised.
But the longer I went and the more I read the Bible, the bigger and bigger disparity I saw between what the Bible said and what the Catholic church teaches.
I too left, and never looked back or regretted it one minute. Jesus set me free. Why would I want to go back into bondage?
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