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In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

Posted on 10/31/2010 11:59:22 AM PDT by RnMomof7

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ


TOPICS: Prayer; Theology; Worship
KEYWORDS: reformation; savedbygrace
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To: RnMomof7

BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!


2,461 posted on 11/17/2010 4:30:23 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
2396 Among the sins gravely contrary to chastity are [...] homosexual practices.

What is your confusion?

From the Douay Catholic Catechism of 1649
CHAPTER XX - The sins that cry to Heaven for vengeance
Q. 925. HOW many such sins are there?
A. Four.
Q. 928. What is the second?
A. The sin of Sodom, or carnal sin against nature, which is a voluntary shedding of the seed of nature, out of the due use of marriage, or lust with a different sex.

Forget for the moment that the Douay Catechism is not official Church Teaching and pay attention to the words.

Douay Catechism: Nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality.

Catholic Catechism:"...homosexual practices."

Homosexuality is not in of itself a sin. Homosexual action is defined as a sin.

2,462 posted on 11/17/2010 4:31:41 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: metmom; mas cerveza por favor; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums
"apparent" death?!?!
Now she didn't really die?

Of course her death is only conjecture.. there is no body, so no crime errr, I mean death may have occurred .. remember there is no record of her death in any of the scriptures..so maybe she really is in that pancake and street scum..tree trunk ...

2,463 posted on 11/17/2010 4:32:47 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Diamond; OLD REGGIE
Your answer to OLD REGGIE illustrates the circular reasoning that I've been talking about.

You are switching topics. OLD REGGIE tried to say that the council passage implied that Honorius' letter should be considered infallible from the Catholic perspective. Are you supporting OLD REGGIE's contention?

2,464 posted on 11/17/2010 4:38:09 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: mas cerveza por favor
St. Irenus--Against Heresies--180 AD: "Where the Church is, there also is the Spirit of God, and where the Spirit of God is there is the Church, and every grace: for the Spirit is truth"

How does this address the original question..why did the church make a doctrine of the assumption and the immaculate conception if their doctrine only addresses heresies.. as I pointed out even The Catholic Encyclopedia admits that the first “genuine” written references to the Assumption come from authors who lived in the sixth to the eight centuries:

So why the doctrine on this?? Obviously it was NOT to address a heresy

2,465 posted on 11/17/2010 4:38:34 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: OLD REGGIE
Douay Catechism: Nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality.

Re-read.

Homosexuality is not in of itself a sin. Homosexual action is defined as a sin.

What is the difference?

2,466 posted on 11/17/2010 4:41:38 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: OLD REGGIE

No bones about it! The best evidence is no evidence at all so the less evidence there is of her “assumption” the more it proves she was!

Say you understand.


2,467 posted on 11/17/2010 4:41:50 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: OLD REGGIE

No bones about it! The best evidence is no evidence at all so the less evidence there is of her “assumption” the more it proves she was!

Say you understand.


2,468 posted on 11/17/2010 4:42:02 PM PST by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
No. The heresy of Honorius was not infallible because it did not meet the requirement of an ex cathedra statement, as I previously demonstrated with the quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia.

The Catholic Encyclopedia is no more official Church Teaching than WikiPedia.

Honorius, a Pope, was a HERETIC and taught heresy. So says the Infallible judgment of the First Ecumenical Council.

2,469 posted on 11/17/2010 4:42:43 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: OLD REGGIE
And the multiple sets of Peter's bones proves what?

I think there are enough slivers of the cross to build a new tower of babble

AND there are enough foreskins of Jesus from His circumcision to build a.......well you know

2,470 posted on 11/17/2010 4:42:43 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: Diamond
Yes, it does speak volumes: Si falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

And you have no "falsus in uno."

2,471 posted on 11/17/2010 4:43:51 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: Diamond

Bingo!


2,472 posted on 11/17/2010 4:44:10 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7

Hey, wait a minute..haven’t I seen Tears of Mary in little glass vials? Maybe not, could be the Sweat of Peter..Building a religious paradise in a place you never visited is a back-breaking proposition.


2,473 posted on 11/17/2010 4:45:34 PM PST by smvoice (Defending the Indefensible: The Pride of a Pawn.)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
Douay Catechism: Nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality.

Re-read.

I read it correctly. Get help from a 4th grade teacher.

Homosexuality is not in of itself a sin. Homosexual action is defined as a sin.

What is the difference?

If you need help on this one I am not the person. Ask your Priest.

2,474 posted on 11/17/2010 4:49:41 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: mas cerveza por favor

My friend there is NO verification that these are the bones of John the baptist.. found BTW this year.. hey maybe Mary’s are next

This may be as much about Catholic tourism as it is about TRUTH

http://www.balkantravellers.com/en/read/article/2170


2,475 posted on 11/17/2010 4:49:57 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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To: RnMomof7

I have already addressed the original question. In this case I was addressing a subsequent question.


2,476 posted on 11/17/2010 4:51:34 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: RnMomof7

Blasphemer. Our conversation is over.


2,477 posted on 11/17/2010 4:51:45 PM PST by mas cerveza por favor
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To: count-your-change
No bones about it! The best evidence is no evidence at all so the less evidence there is of her “assumption” the more it proves she was!

Say you understand.

I understand, and I understood the first time. :-)

2,478 posted on 11/17/2010 4:52:10 PM PST by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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To: mas cerveza por favor
You got that wrong. Reread the article you quote.

Can you post another Cathchism of the Church that state other than the one Natural Law quoted to me in Cathachism 1992?

You realize there is a schism between much of the East and Rome. Before the split, the majority Eastern view was correct.

So you believe in the doctrine of the eastern church rather then the western church? Please remember the eastern church followed John Cassian (a student of Pelagius). The western church followed Augustine (Pelagius' arch rival).

Have you read St. Augustine's magnum opus City of God?

Yes, as a matter of fact I have. What part are you referring to? But before we go down this path, I would also refer to Augustine's statement in the Treatise of the Predestination of the Saints, that once he fully understood St. Cyprian's doctrine he recalled most of his life's work to destroy it. This shows the admirable quality of Augustine's faith to be true to doctrine without regard to his own work.

According to Congressional testimony, the US Communist Party infiltrated American Catholic seminaries with thousands of sleeper agents who were trained to pretend orthodoxy until they reached high rank.

So, it's a conspiracy? Our Lord called them tares.

2,479 posted on 11/17/2010 4:53:50 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: mas cerveza por favor
I have already addressed the original question. In this case I was addressing a subsequent question.

You said, I believe, that doctrine was to address the "heresy" of non belief..and that the church ALWAYS believed these things historically...I pointed out that is not true. .So were those early Christians heretics?

Actually the assumption was first taught by heretics

“The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite” (Catholic Encyclopaedia).

So what does the church do with that heresy?

2,480 posted on 11/17/2010 4:57:21 PM PST by RnMomof7 (Gal 4:16 asks "Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?")
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