In Christ Alone (Happy reformation day)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExnTlIM5QgE ^ | Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

[RnMomof7]

In Christ Alone lyrics

Songwriters: Getty, Julian Keith; Townend, Stuart Richard;

In Christ alone my hope is found He is my light, my strength, my song This Cornerstone, this solid ground Firm through the fiercest drought and storm

What heights of love, what depths of peace When fears are stilled, when strivings cease My Comforter, my All in All Here in the love of Christ I stand

In Christ alone, who took on flesh Fullness of God in helpless Babe This gift of love and righteousness Scorned by the ones He came to save

?Til on that cross as Jesus died The wrath of God was satisfied For every sin on Him was laid Here in the death of Christ I live, I live

There in the ground His body lay Light of the world by darkness slain Then bursting forth in glorious Day Up from the grave He rose again

And as He stands in victory Sin?s curse has lost its grip on me For I am His and He is mine Bought with the precious blood of Christ

[Natural Law]

"Let's stick to your original claim which I refuted with Scripture."

You will not get anywhere arguing with those who validate their own arguments. Absent any standard or authority other than their own whims each is his own each is his own denomination, each is his own pope and each his own magisterium relying on notions confused with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

As Ayn Rand so accurately stated: “[An] error is committed by the man who declares that since man must be guided by his own independent judgment, any action he chooses to take is moral if he chooses it. One’s own independent judgment is the means by which one must choose his actions, but it is not a moral criterion nor a moral validation: only reference to a demonstrable principle can validate one’s choices.”

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Yes, and many of the things which Jesus did which are none of our business. What is important is Scripture teaches us all we need. Where do you find a Scriptural suggestion that we "add" to Scripture as we see fit?

In a nutshell, Old Reggie. Amen!

Not one RC in all of history has yet to show Christians one belief, practice or article of faith that is NOT found in Scripture.

And yet they keep trying by hoodwinking the masses to look beyond the word of God to see what is not there.

Mesmerism and magick.

[RnMomof7]

The scripture is quoted and this is the response ..

Absent any standard or authority other than their own whims each is his own each is his own denomination,

Just show us where Rome gets its infallible authority and apostolic succession from...

When one does not see the scripture as authoritative there is a problem

[Dr. Eckleburg]

I've been wondering about this lately..say (worst case scenario, I know) that the Pope came out next Sunday and spoke ex-cathedra: "God has shown me that we must leave this earthly life now. It is time to drink the bitter koolaid." ANd then he turns and walks back into the Vatican.

What would RCCs do? Just how much faith do they have in their pope, infallibility, traditions, doctrines, etc., really? Would they do as he said or would they walk/run away? Just HOW MUCH FAITH DO they have in Rome.

Very good question. And RCs apparently have answered that question...

"The Pope ... is the bishop of Rome and the Vicar of Christ on earth. He is the visible head of the whole Catholic Church ... Who was the first Pope? St. Peter, who was made Pope by Jesus Christ Himself ... Did Peter's authority die with him? No, it was handed down to a man named Linus, and after he died, it was handed down to another, and so on, during the past 2000 years ... Does Jesus require us to follow the Pope in matters of religion? Yes, because obedience and loyalty to the Pope are among the chief requirements of the Lord's plan for unity in His church" - (A Catechism for Adults, by William Cogan, 1975 ed., pp. 55,56).

"Obedience and loyalty to the pope."

Not to Christ. Not to God's word. Not to the God-given Christian conscience. Not to the truth.

"To the pope."

Therefore when JPII kissed the Koran (which is certainly a "matter of religion,") the rest of the Roman Catholic church is supposed to do likewise.

Satanic.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written. (John 21)

And since these "other things" were not written down by His apostles, we have ZERO knowledge of them. Therefore, these "other things" are none of our business.

But Rome, in its manic hubris, concocts fictitious events and tells its gullible followers that its many superstitions come under the rubric of "other things" which were neither written down nor taught by Christ and the early church.

"Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm." -- 1 Timothy 1:4-7

[Dr. Eckleburg]

ROTFLOL.

ROME: “Whatever is expedient, do.”

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Amen. Great post. RCs know nothing of the Old Testament, therefore they do not recognize any of it in the New Testament.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

RnMomof7: How do you know with certainty what the are the traditions of men and what are the traditions of God?

I'd like to be pinged to your answer here, annalex.

Any time you're ready.

[count-your-change]

“And since these “other things” were not written down by His apostles, we have ZERO knowledge of them.”

But the imagination can fill in the gaps with worship of designated saints and their supposed relics, mythical stories of Mary’s mother, etc.

“But Rome, in its manic hubris, concocts fictitious events and tells its gullible followers that its many superstitions come under the rubric of “other things” which were neither written down nor taught by Christ and the early church.”

Quite so!

[1000 silverlings]

Plus, “any traditions” they were to hold fast to, happened before Paul wrote his letters and were already established in the church, ie, meeting together, communion, baptism, not the “traditions” say from whenever men decided they were, esp the Roman Catholic church

[smvoice]

“But Rome, in its manic hubris, concocts fictitious events and tells its gullible followers that its many superstitions come under the rubric of “other things” which were neither written down nor taught by Christ and the early church.”

"And I know such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up in to paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter." 2 Cor. 12:3,4.

Can you imagine the religious system Protestants could build if they decided to use these words of Paul to build a false religion? First, they would need to declare themselves infallible. Then declare that the "not lawful" does not apply to them since they are infallible. From that point on, it's any man's decision what they wanted Paul to hear. False Traditions and doctrines of men would flood the churches, until the Bible could no longer be the absolute truth, scripture interpretation would have to be IMPLICITLY stated, and of course, we would need ONE MAN in charge, to "lead' the fold and assure us that we are the only true third heaven paradise church on earth.

[Natural Law]

"When one does not see the scripture as authoritative there is a problem"

Jumping to conclusions should be an Olympic event. There are a few Calvinists on here that are sure medalists.

My comments in no way diminished the authority of Scripture but did take exception with those who profess an ability to interpret and discern as they see fit. Listening to the various Protestants each harp on about their interpretations implies that there must be as many Holy Spirits as there are Protestants who disagree with one another.

[Natural Law]

"Can you imagine the religious system Protestants could build if they decided to use these words of Paul to build a false religion?"

We don't need to imagine anything. The phone book is full of a multitude of Paulian Protestant denominations, schisms, splinter groups and out right cults.

[RnMomof7]

My comments in no way diminished the authority of Scripture but did take exception with those who profess an ability to interpret and discern as they see fit. Listening to the various Protestants each harp on about their interpretations implies that there must be as many Holy Spirits as there are Protestants who disagree with one another.

Or "Church fathers " huh?

[Natural Law]

"Therefore when JPII kissed the Koran..."

Recycling day already? Does this mean the other confabulations, repeated lies, fabrications, and distortions are going to follow soon. I can't wait for the Pope is a Nazi fairy tale, or that old mediatrix hit, or even the photo shopped images......its a walk down memory lane. What ever you do, don't forget that old Rowanda religious war joke.....its a knee slapper.

[Natural Law]

"Or "Church fathers " huh?"

So, do you guys number each of your Holy Spirits or do they go by the name of the individual they have been assigned to?

[mas cerveza por favor]

obedience and loyalty to the Pope are among the chief requirements of the Lord's plan for unity in His church

Obedience to the pope means following his licit instructions not copying his every move. Obedience to the pope does not trump obedience to Catholic orthodoxy or Tradition.

Therefore when JPII kissed the Koran (which is certainly a "matter of religion,") the rest of the Roman Catholic church is supposed to do likewise.

Lies.

[RnMomof7]

So tell me did those church fathers always agree on everything?

My guess most catholic churches are filled with cafeteria Catholics..

Protestants have differences on the non essentials, (those doctrines that are not essential to our salvation) seems to me the “church fathers had differences on what Catholics would hold as essentials

[smvoice]

A paradise, third heaven church that Protestants built on words that were unlawful to speak? THere is no way, Catholics have the market cornered on that system of inventing between the line traditions and doctrines.

{{sigh}} poor us. All we're left with is THE WORD OF TRUTH. And THE WHOLE ARMOUR OF GOD. /s

[OLD REGGIE]

You will not get anywhere arguing with those who validate their own arguments.

Validate this oh wise one. (annalex) "She did not have any other children. "Brothers" of Christ are indeed mentioned, but, curious thing, every time a "brother" of Jesus is mentioned by name, his mother also is mentioned and she is not Mary."

Please explain the Scriptural error contained in Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas?

PS. Apparently annalex has chosen not to answer. Perhaps you will be so kind as to answer for him?