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To: MHGinTN
I said "Skipping all your "quotations", because they are actually irrelevant to your point."

MHG said "To the mind lost in the mormonism hive, the quotes from your founders which prove the heretical beliefs at the heart of Mormonism do look irrelevant and such an mind isn't likely to even read them. But readers need to see the true nature of the Mormonism cultic teaching, so here we go again. BTW, the god of Mormonism is not the God of the Bible, but I can see why mormonism apologists want to float that deceit:"

OK, I'll explain it again, and I'll try to use smaller words this time.

You don't have the basic understanding of our doctrine required to go into the discussion you are trying to have.

You do not have the scientific knowledge required to understand the answers to the questions you are asking.

How do I know what? Easy, you keep asking questions that tell me how much you know.

I know, I just offended you, sorry. I just can't think of a tactful way of telling you this, maybe it's my autism. Logic is easy for me. Tact is not.

Let's just look at your first question after this as an example of wrong thinking.

You start with Who is God's God's God..."So on ad infinitum" as if that has any bearing on God's authority over you. God is your God, he is your creator, he has ultimate authority over you by virtue of the fact that he created you. You cannot appeal to his Creator, or to his creator's creator. Such questions are so far out of scope that I can see that you lack the basics to even discuss it.

An Example: In programming, if you have an object that has a value stored in a variable,you can access it, no problem. If you want to access a variable in another object, you can't by normal means. What do I mean normal means? Three requirements need to be met in order for you to access that value stores in another object. 1) the object has to have made the value accessible to functions outside of that object. 2) You have to have a pointer to that object. and 3) You have to be in the same "scope", or memory space.

You cannot "access" any God but yours. They are not structured that way. They are not in the same scope.

The very fact that you are asking the questions you are, shows you are not ready to have the conversation.

Let's try another example. I am faced with an algebra 1 student who is insisting that he can do calculus, and wants to challenge established formula with questions that make no sense.

Here is an article that I read here on FR, that I see as Science beginning to understand the reality I have known spiritually for a long time :Have we found the universe that existed before the Big Bang?

Remember this from my post?
I understand that your mind can only comprehend time, my religion however does not limit itself to the abnormal space in the eternities known as "time".
        <
>      
Eternity
time
You are here.
Eternity


Again, I'm skipping a bunch of nonsense questions, because you are saying it's blasphemy to speak of more than one God. When Jesus told some of the Jews, I and my Father are one., they wanted to stone him for Blasphemy. Jesus then spoke of all men who received the word of God as being gods. Here, read it yourself.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
So, Jesus says we are gods if we receive God's word. It's in the Bible. You may not interpret the Bible that same way I do, and that's OK. Your wrong, but I'll try not to rub your face in it too much.

Thus all your posturing, all your grandstanding about Mormon "Gods" is just further proof that you don't even understand the Bible, let alone our teachings and doctrine.

Now, let's cut to your conclusion: If there is no ultimate beginning, then there is no ‘Alpha‘, which of course contradicts what God said of Himself as The Alpha and Omega. That is one big heresy at the heart of Mormonism, but the mormonism apologists want you to ignore these heresies and focus elsewhere, anywhere, so long as the truth about this heretical cult is not exposed!

Sigh, it's hard enough to explain calculus, but when someone does not want to understand and instead of learning, they want to prove it wrong with algebra, well it's sad and funny at the same time.

So, what is the Beginning speaking of in the Bible? God's beginning? Certainly not. The beginning of time? Possibly, The beginning of Mortality? Also possibly. It's definitely a beginning for us as mortals. So that is our scope, we exist inside of "time" The article I linked to above talks about how time has no meaning before the "Big Bang" and will have no meaning after the "Big Crunch". Thus my model above, here, let me repeat it for you.
                     <
>              
Eternity
Big Bang
The Beginning
Alpha
time
You are here.
Eternity
Big Crunch
The End
Omega

The alpha cannot apply to a being with no beginning, so your definition of Alpha cannot apply to God, but to our relationship with him. God the Father is unchanging from Eternity to all Eternity, he is the Alpha and Omega. Again, your misunderstanding of the realities of Christianity stems from the Trinity, a small change to the understanding of the nature of God has profound impact on the understanding of Men. It is too bad that change was made in 325 AD. Now, as when Jesus tried to restore truth, the bearers of God's truth are called heretics and sinners.

God bless and open your eyes MHG, God bless you this day, may you give thanks for the truths you know and open your heart to receive further light and knowledge from God that he may teach you. Either way, I hope you have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

Delph
431 posted on 11/25/2010 9:53:49 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
God bless and open your eyes MHG, God bless you this day, may you give thanks for the truths you know and open your heart to receive further light and knowledge from God that he may teach you.

I don't need any more:

Matthew 5:14-16

You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.


435 posted on 11/25/2010 8:18:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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To: DelphiUser; Godzilla; greyfoxx39; aMorePerfectUnion; SZonian; Tennessee Nana; restornu; ...

 Islamic tradition holds that previous messages and revelations have been changed and distorted over time.

 

HMmmm...
Sounds VERY familiar!

 

As mentioned in the introductory chapter of Muhammad Manzoor Nomani's book "Maariful Hadith", the teachings of "wisdom" have been declared to be a function of Muhammad along with the teachings of the scripture. For a better understanding of the meaning of word "wisdom" or "hikmah", one can refer to the Quran in various ayat.

For example, verse 4:113 states "Allah revealeth unto thee the Kitab (Scripture) and Hikmah (wisdom), and teacheth thee that which thou knewest not. The Grace of Allah toward thee has been very great." 

(From WIKI)

 

God bless and open your eyes MHG, God bless you this day, may you give thanks for the truths you know and open your heart to receive further light and knowledge from God that he may teach you.
--DelphiUser

437 posted on 11/26/2010 6:22:13 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going.)
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To: DelphiUser

Tyical gobbledy goop nonsense. If you can’t address the posred quotes did you think your Mormon spin cycle would obfuscate your conmen founders from readership exposure. You worship in a cult of arrogant self-aggrandizement. Your posts must seem so intellectual to your Mormon mind, but you’re just another servant of the spirit of anti-Christ with your defense of the heretical garbage of your founders. Have a nice weekend ...


438 posted on 11/26/2010 7:35:57 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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