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To: Stourme
Again we see the tactics of the Mormon haters. Half truths, lies, and inuendo. No context given just drama, "Oh noes Josepsh Smith created an army!!11".

It never ends with these people.

Again we see the tactics of the Mormons. Half truths, lies, and inuendo. No context given just drama, "Oh Momma!!

Them PRESBYTERIANs are wrong, Wrong, WRONG!! ('cause what's day's belieb in is UNTWUE!!!)"


Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr. (1805 - 1844):


“My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join.
 
 No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.”

“I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in His sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: ‘they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.’”

“He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time.
 
When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven.
 
When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home.
And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was.
 
I replied, ‘Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.’
I then said to my mother, ‘I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.’
 

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., Joseph Smith–History, v. 1, pp. 8–26

405 posted on 10/18/2010 4:53:09 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Stourme; Paragon Defender; Ripliancum; Defender; DelphiUser; Saundra Duffy; killermedic

James 1

5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
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I then said to my mother, ‘I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.’

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Because I Joseph Smith have inquired of the Lord ‘I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.’

John 14

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.

16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

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Jesus said

1 keep my commandments

2 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

3 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 16

25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father.

26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:

27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.

28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

29 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb.

30 Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God.

31 Jesus answered them, Do ye now believe?

32 Behold, the hour cometh, yea, is now come, that ye shall be scattered, every man to his own, and shall leave me alone: and yet I am not alone, because the Father is with me.

33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

This is the Jesus that the LDS believes in (it is so clear in verse 31-33 Jesus came from His Father) and you who deny this Jesus it is than you antis that believe in another Jesus!

Those who love The Father and the Son these are not hard things to receive, those who are beholden to the tradition of men would find this hard to receive.


407 posted on 10/18/2010 6:06:17 AM PDT by restornu (Love One Another)
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