What Mormon Missionaries WON'T Tell You

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[delacoert]

Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door.  If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians.  However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out.  Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about:

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God.

"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity.  I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see."  (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan:

"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God.  He was called Lucifer, son of the morning.  Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind."  (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist.

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children."  (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210)

 

The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age.  A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers.  We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do.

"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner!  When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him.  He helped to make and organize this world.  He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do."  (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50)

 

"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man.  That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods.

"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy."  (Journal of Discourses 11:269)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine

Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan.  Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary.

"..how are children begotten?  I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father.  The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this:  Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself.

"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers.  Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327)

"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213)

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times.

For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it.  Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord."  Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines."

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings.

For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again.  To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism.  Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind.  However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death.  Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church.  "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood.  Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well.

 

They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god.  Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven.

 

Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.  The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief.  Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church.

 

They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God.

 

For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years.  We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182).  In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri.  According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation.  For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..."  to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn.  In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land.

 

[greyfoxx39]

 

Rarely have I seen good conduct on these threads. And barely any meekness or fear. I'm not saying that these people in real life aren't like that...they may appear to their friends, neighbors and fellow church goers as great people. But their internet presence is that of a gang of bullies.

They rarely display any fruits of the spirit:

DouglasKC Maxims:

"The way to highlight the straw man is to embody him!"

"Make the posters the issue, not the issues."

Link

As of December 31, 2009, there were 51,736 LDS missionaries serving in 344 church missions throughout the world. Their work, often in cooperation with local members, resulted in 280,106 convert baptisms in 2009.[12] Author David Stewart points out that the number of convert baptisms per missionary per year has fallen from a high of 8.03 in 1989 to just 4.67 in 2005.[13] He argues that the number of converts would increase if Mormon missionaries made greater efforts in meeting new people; he points out that the average companionship spends only four or five hours per week attempting to meet new people.[13]

How terrible it is that a handful of Christians post a handful of threads per week on FreeRepublic to counter the proselytizing efforts of the missionaries and public relations campaign of the mormon church.

Don't you just feel SO sorry that the poor, persecuted mormons aren't able to have their message heard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJqhFm2Zpck

[reaganaut]

...at least Mormons knew better than to vote for Barack Obama...

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Not all of them.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/MormonsforObama

[reaganaut]

Amen, CC.

[reaganaut]

Where is the injunction against drinking wine or other alcoholic beverages, on any occasion, not just the Lord’s Supper - with the exception of the Nazarenes.

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There isn’t one.

Drinking is not a sin, drunkenness is.

[reaganaut]

Praise God! You and your family dodged a huge bullet.

I don’t regret my time in Mormonism, because I now see how God used that to bring me to Him and is now using it to reach others and warn. The Glory goes to Him.

[ejonesie22]

Cults of a feather...

[greyfoxx39]

I was one of those people. I was thinking of having the family join until I did some further research about Mormonism. The best help I received was coming to Free Republic. I've learned so much thanks to the dedication of the many Freepers here that are committed to the truth. God bless you all!!

God bless you and your family, and the Flying Inmans thank you for your words.

[greyfoxx39]

Where do you fall on the spectrum of Judaism?Conservative. Republican Jewish Coalition. Congregations are mixed politically mixed liberal and conservative and changing.

In keeping with the thread topic, are you aware that to mormons, Jews are "gentiles"?

[Paragon Defender]

Yes; and that’s PD will show up with his HAYSTACK method of answering questions.

Damn it!

I’m not doing the work FOR you; dig out the needle for yourself!

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Undecided readers. Above is another tactic.

Try to get you not to look because it’s just too hard.

It couldn’t be easier. Try it and see.

[Paragon Defender]

All I’ve seen anti Mormonism posters post is from Mormon sources and yet you refer to it as, “regurgitated propaganda”.

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Undecided readers.

Above is another tactic. Pretend that the issue is with the truthful information and not the misrepresentation or straw man tactic used.

Look into it. It’s easy to do. They just don’t want you to.

[MHGinTN]

For a couple or three days now, I've been posting on Mormonism threads the fact that Smith included in the Book of Mormon the Isaiah passage containing the name 'Lucifer', and Smith claimed the translation he made of the supposed plates was the most accurate translation of text (Isaiah) which would be dated to 600BC! Yet the word 'Lucifer' is a Latin name which came into the Bible translations along about the second century, probably with Jerome's translation. So not one Mormonism apologist or 'defender' has addressed the obvious fraud of Smith, who clearly scribed in the King James translation of Isaiah, generated in the 1600s yet claimed he was translating ancient writing some of which supposedly dated to 600BC!

Whether Lucifer is the proper translation of the passage in Isaiah or not is really not the point. That Smith lied through his false prophet teeth about this fictional 'scripture' as provable with the inclusion of the Latin name 'Lucifer' IS the point of the post.

This peepstone predator of married women, Joseph Smith, put forth a fraudulent novel claiming it to be 'scripture' upon which the 'restoration of Christianity' should be based! It is beyond incredible that sincere people still follow this lying conman, given the extensive proofs available which show Smith is a fraud, his Book of Mormon is a fraudulent fiction, and the rituals of Mormonism are lifted from a seventeenth century fraternity called the Masons!

If one but opens their eyes to the true life this conman Smith lived, it is apparent that he could restore any religion, much less that which has never been a 100% apostasy.

So I ask the posters trying to squelch open opposition to Mormonism this basic series of questions:

Is Christianity worth defending against false religions?
Is the false religion called Mormonism as good to lead to Salvation as Catholicism or Protestantism?
Is it a Christian thing to know a person who has a zeal for God is worshiping in a pagan religion yet leave them to flounder in the pagan rites of a false religion, without at least pointing out the real aspects of the false religion?
Is ecumenism the only way to restore the faith of our fathers in America?
What has a Mormon gained if they gain the whole world, but lose their immortal soul?
How does one hear the truth unless it is told to them?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“As a Mormon, I can affirm that I am on the right road—and that road leads to Christ.”

Fact: If you believe the teachings of mormonism about Christ,
your road is leading to the wrong Christ, who cannot save.

Please point out some misinformation this thread, instead of
making a broad claim.

[reaganaut]

I will give the LDS one thing, they are so blind that most really have no clue just how blasphemous their theology is and how offensive it is to Christians that they want to be considered Christian while believing in a false Christ.

I will admit, I didn’t see the difference when I was LDS, only after I came to know the Real Jesus (not the stepping stone cardboard one of the LDS) did I see that my beliefs as a Mormon were blasphemy. Not until God opens their eyes will any LDS see how their teachings are insulting to our Great God.

[ejonesie22]

If we don't want them to look into it, why do I, as a so called “anti” duplicate your posts for you, and why do we as a group not only fully support your links but use then in our own citations when we, unlike you, actually substantiate what we say?

Hum...

[FourPeas]

As a Mormon, I can affirm that I am on the right road—and that road leads to Christ.

What do you mean by "on the right road?"

[Graybeard58]

Look into it. It’s easy to do. They just don’t want you to.

You are mistaken. I do indeed want people to "look into it".

[MHGinTN]

Don't want folks to look into Mormonism? HAH! There are a few Freeper posters who spend extra time sharing what is haystacked in the links you offer. Below are a few quotes from your religion's leadership, pulled out of the haystack of mormonism obfuscation, exposed for the heresies they are:

[Mormons claim that an ancient record (the Book of Mormon) was written beginning in about 600 BC, and the author in 600 BC supposedly copied Isaiah in Isaiah's original words. When Joseph Smith pretended to translate the supposed 'ancient record', he included the Lucifer verse in the Book of Mormon. Obviously he wasn't copying what Isaiah actually wrote. He was copying the King James Version of the Bible. Another book of LDS scripture, the Doctrine & Covenants, furthers this problem in 76:26 when it affirms the false Christian doctrine that "Lucifer" means Satan. This incorrect doctrine also spread into a third set of Mormon scriptures, the Pearl of Great Price, which describes a war in heaven based, in part, on Joseph Smith's incorrect interpretation of the word "Lucifer" which only appears in Isaiah. ]

----"The Doctrine and Covenants clarifies this doctrine in a record of the vision of heaven of Prophet Joseph Smith:
And this we saw also, and bear record, that an angel of God who was in authority in the presence of God, who rebelled against the Only Begotten Son whom the Father loved and who was in the bosom of the Father, was thrust down from the presence of God and the Son,
And was called Perdition, for the heavens wept over him—he was Lucifer, a son of the morning. And we beheld, and lo, he is fallen! is fallen, even a son of the morning!
And while we were yet in the Spirit, the Lord commanded us that we should write the vision; for we beheld Satan, that old serpent, even the devil, who rebelled against God, and sought to take the kingdom of our God and his Christ—
Wherefore, he maketh war with the saints of God, and encompasseth them round about (Doctrine and Covenants 76:2529).

----Mormon teaching on the Pearl of Great Price says:

(Pearl of Great Price: Book of Moses 4:1-4)
“It is readily apparent from these scriptures that there was a war in heaven in which Christ and Satan (Lucifer) fought against each other, and that there were followers of each. Satan was defeated and cast out along with his “angels” or followers. Where were all these followers, and who were they? The answer is that they were us. Christ and Satan and their followers warred in a heaven that pre- existed this earth and mortal existence. All of us lived in this heavenly spiritual realm before we were born with physical bodies on the earth. Christ was begotten of the Father, as were all of us, including Lucifer, who was a Son of the Morning. The title “Son of the Morning” could either signify that Lucifer was one of the earliest born of the spirits, or was illustrious, or both. The name Lucifer means “lightbearer” or “shining one.” Since both Christ and Lucifer were born of the Father, they are brothers in a spiritual sense, as all of us are brothers and sisters in that sense

----"We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132).

----"Some people are troubled over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith.... The matter that seems such a mystery is the statement that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and death and is an exalted man. This is one of the mysteries.... The Prophet taught that our Father had a Father and so on. Is not this a reasonable thought, especially when we remember that the promises are made to us that we may become like him?" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.10, 12).

----"Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee...We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed [children] before he was crucified (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82).

----"There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that non less a person that Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha an the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259).

----"In the Church councils, it was spoken of: "Joseph F. Smith_ He spoke upon the marriage in Cana of Galilee. He thought Jesus was the bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides."(Journal of Wilford Woodruff, July 22, 1883).

----"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346).

"One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that great loved Jesus, such as Mary and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them and associated with the much; and when he arose from the dead, instead of first showing himself to his chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them--namely, Mary Magdalene. Now, it would be very natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were his wives." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159).

But wait! There’s more astonishing Mormonism heresy :

In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5, 1844)

Smith's worldview of time as it pertains to the gods: Smith believed in a "beginning" that was operative before the Mormon plan to the create this world. The question becomes, who is the head of the Gods as pertains to this ‘council of gods?

In the very beginning the Bible shows there is a plurality of Gods beyond the power of refutation. It is a great subject I am dwelling on. The word Eloheim ought to be in the plural all the way through--Gods. The heads of the Gods appointed ONE God for us... (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 372)

According to Smith's worldview, "the heads of the Gods appointed one God for us." Whatever "time frame" or eternity is chosen, only ONE GOD was chosen by a plurality of gods. It doesn't say a plurality of gods was chosen by a plurality of gods. Therefore, no Mormon godhead existed when the council chose the Mormon one god! Apparently, the godhead of god the father, god the holy spirit, and god the jesus developed later(?).
The convolutions/confusions are rife in Mormonism. Despite the above teaching, LDS leader, Bruce McConkie, taught that lds worship 3 gods: "Three separate personages-Father, Son and holy Ghost- comprise the Godhead…these three are the only Gods we worship."(Mormon Doctrine 1966 ed. P.576-577).

“I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of a being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man. God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. (Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844)

Whatever is taken by Smith as the ’beginning’, the Alpha point, Smith says god was a man. That he "was once as we are now." We already know from the above quote that the godhead came even after the Mormon god was appointed. The Mormon god was no godhead in the beginning Smith portrays, yet John’s Gospel starts with the Word, Jesus, was with God and was God in the beginning.

“I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the same as His Father had done before. (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)

What's being said here? … The teaching of infinite regression of gods! Smith is claiming that Jesus had a grandfather and a greatgrandfather!
Finally, Smith claims that God the Father also laid down His life in some sort of redemptive way, to earn/gain exaltation! Which means whatever "time" you want to leave undefined, apparently God the Father had time enough to live as a man and die as a man for some whole other world.
Smith says Heavenly Father laid down his life as a redeemer on another world. Brigham Young added that “every earth has its redeemer, and every earth has its tempter”. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 14, p. 71, 1870)
If there is no ultimate beginning, then there is no ‘Alpha‘, which of course contradicts what God said of Himself as The Alpha and Omega.

We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father, and so on, from generation to generation, from one heavenly world to another still more ancient, until our minds are wearied and lost in the multiplicity of generations and successive worlds, … and as a last resort, we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten. But why does man seek for a first, when revelation informs him that God's works are without beginning? (Lds apostle Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 132, 1853)

The teaching of infinite regression conveys some peculiar sense of layered eternities. But Smith used the term "beginning" as before the world was created, sending this eternities notion into an irrational contradiction of itself when Smith also claimed that the father of the Mormon Jesus was once a man on a planet, before he ‘gained‘ the attributes of godhood!

If a ‘council of gods’ is not Mormonism teaching polytheism, then pigs have wings and should be granted flight paths. And if someone thinks this heresy is not a current teaching of the LDS of Salt Lake City, the following from LDS ‘Prophet’ Hinckley should clear it up:

From the 1994 LDS Conference report:
“On the other hand, the whole design of the gospel is to lead us onward and upward to greater achievement, even, eventually, to godhood. This great possibility was enunciated by the Prophet Joseph Smith in the King Follet sermon (see Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 342-62) and emphasized by President Lorenzo Snow. It is this grand and incomparable concept: As God now is, man may become! (See The Teachings of Lorenzo Snow, comp. Clyde J. Williams, Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1984, p. 1)

[Graybeard58]

Drinking is not a sin, drunkenness is.

I lived in that sin until 29 years ago. I am a recovering alcoholic, sober by the grace of God for 29 years.

[Vendome]

All:

I have looking for the monument in SLC that has a plaque on it.

I believe is has the statement of JS and Apostocies and Whores of Babylon.

Anyone have a link to it?

Thanks.

[Stourme]

[humblegunner creepily]

I asked them if they had on magic underwear.

 

 

 

[Stourme amazed]

Were you wearing a trench coat at the time?

You went up to complete strangers on the street, young men none the less, and asked them about their underwear.

mmkay.