Posted on 10/15/2010 5:39:02 PM PDT by delacoert
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Most of us have had a Mormon Missionary knock at our door. If you have ever invited them in and listened to a presentation of their beliefs, you probably found most but not all of what they said very similar to those beliefs held by Christians. However, while trying to convince you that your Church is wrong and the Mormon Church is right, there are several points they intentionally leave out. Below is a list of Mormon beliefs the missionaries will be reluctant to tell you about: |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the God they worship was not always God. |
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"We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea, and take away the veil, so that you may see." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 345) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe Jesus Christ is the spirit brother of Satan: |
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"The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer, son of the morning. Haughty, ambitious, and covetous of power and glory, this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind." (Milton R. Hunter, Gospel Through the Ages, pg.15) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that, according to Mormonism, Jesus Christ was a polygamist. |
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"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses 2:210) |
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The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were 'Mormons'" (Jedediah M. Grant, Journal of Discourses, 1:346) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that for at least half a century church leaders were teaching that Adam was really God and the only God with whom we have to do. |
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"Now hear it, O inhabitants of the earth, Jew and Gentile, Saint and sinner! When our father Adam came into the garden of Eden, he came into it with a celestial body, and brought Eve, one of his wives, with him. He helped to make and organize this world. He is Michael, the Archangel, the Ancient of Days! about whom holy men have written and spoken--He is our Father, and our God, and the only God with whom we have to do." (Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 1:50) |
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"I have learned by experience that there is but one God that pertains to this people and he is the god that pertains to this earth--The first man. That first man sent his own son to redeem the world..."(Heber C. Kimball, Journal of Discourses 4:1) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Brigham Young, who held the office of President of the Mormon church longer than any other man, taught that men must practice polygamy in order to become Gods. |
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"The only men who become Gods, even the Sons of God, are those who enter into polygamy." (Journal of Discourses 11:269) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the book of Mormon fails to contain any Mormon doctrine |
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Many portions of this Mormon Scripture even contradicts Mormon theology. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you about their secret temple ceremonies which, until April 1990, portrayed Christian ministers as hirelings of Satan. Nor will they tell you about the sacred underwear they are wearing which, they believe, actually protects them. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that Mormon leaders have taught that Jesus was conceived by way of a sexual relationship between God and Mary. |
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"..how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The difference between Jesus Christ and other men is this: Our fathers in the flesh are mortal men, who are subject unto death: but the Father of Jesus Christ in the flesh is the god of Heaven" (Joseph F. Smith, Family Home Evening Manual, 1972, pg. 125) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they believe the bible has been corrupted throughout the centuries and cannot be trusted fully by itself. |
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"I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests have committed many errors." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph smith, pg.327) |
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"But the Bible has been robbed of its plainness; many sacred books having been lost, others rejected by the Romish Church, and what few we have left, were copied and recopied so many times, that it is admitted that almost every verse has been corrupted and mutilated to that degree that any two of them read alike." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, pg.213) |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that the Book of Mormon and the Doctrine and Covenants, which they claim to be both sacred and without error, contradict each other many times. |
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For example, in the Book of Mormon, God called David and Solomon's act of polygamy an abomination, whereas in the Doctrine and Covenants He claims to justify it. Jacob 2:24 in the Book of Mormon says, "Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord." Section 132:1 in the Doctrine and Covenants, however, states: "Verily, thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph, that inasmuch as you have inquired of my hand to know and understand wherein I, the Lord, justified my servants Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as also Moses, David and Solomon, my servants, as touching the principle and doctrine of their having many wives and concubines." |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that they use Christian terms with Mormon meanings. |
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For example, a Mormon would probably agree with you that a person must be born again. To the Mormon, however, "born again" is a process which begins with water baptism. Another example are the words "salvation" and exaltation," which are synonymous in the Christian's mind. However, general salvation to the Mormon merely means the resurrection which everyone in the world will receive at death. Exaltation, or individual salvation, is the reward earned by the Mormon by following the laws of the Moron church. "Eternal Life" to the Mormon means Godhood. Regarding the word "scriptures," the Christian thinks of the Holy Bible while the Mormon could be thinking of not only the Bible but the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price as well. |
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They won't want to tell you that in order to gain entrance into the highest form of Mormon heaven, the Celestial kingdom, you must accept Joseph Smith, Jr. as a prophet of god. Faith in Jesus alone, Mormonism teaches, will force you to spend eternity in a lower form of heaven. |
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Tenth LDS President Joseph Fielding Smith stated in his book, doctrines of Salvation, that there is "No salvation without accepting Joseph Smith. The word "salvation," used in this context, must really mean "exaltation" because former Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie stated in his book Mormon Doctrine that general salvation is given to everyone regardless of belief. Personal salvation or exaltation to the highest form of Mormon heaven comes only by accepting Joseph Smith as a prophet of god and by following the laws of the LDS church. |
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They will be reluctant to tell you that their founder, Joseph Smith, Jr., made many false prophecies which, according to the Bible, would classify him as a false prophet rather than a true prophet of God. |
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For instance, in 1835 Smith claimed that the Lord would again come in just 56 years. We would gather from this "prophecy" that Jesus Christ would again come to earth on or before 1891; no doubt Joseph Smith was incorrect (History of the church 2:182). In 1832 Joseph Smith claimed he had a revelation concerning the building of a temple in Independence, Missouri. According to section 84, verses 4 and 5, of the Doctrine and Covenants, he stated this "temple shall be reared in this generation. For verily this generation shall not pass away until an house shall be built unto the Lord, and a cloud shall rest upon it..." to this day the spot consecrated by Smith fails to be the sight of a great temple, but instead is covered with a well-kept lawn. In fact, the Mormon church does not even own the land. |
Evidently you pay remarkably little attention to the Religion Forum of Free Republic at all - not to I agree with the spirit of your anti-Catholicism at all.
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Are you a Universalist? Or a Mason?No, I am Jew.
>> Yeah, well, unlike you, I don’t sit on Mormon threads bashing other’s beliefs or judge them in every post.<<
Are you so cold as to not care about their eternal future? Do you hate them so bad that you would let them spend eternity in hell rather then try to help them see their error?
>>And loving thy neighbor also means respecting thy neighbor and thus not trying to convert him.<<
So loving our neighbor is to allow them to continue in error and be condemned to hell?
Jewish. That explains it.
And only Mormon companies make the garments.
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That is correct. You also have to have and show a special ID card (Temple Recommend) in order to buy them.
I was one of those people. I was thinking of having the family join until I did some further research about Mormonism. The best help I received was coming to Free Republic. I've learned so much thanks to the dedication of the many Freepers here that are committed to the truth. God bless you all!!
Esther 8 v 17:
And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king's commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
LOL, I suppose it is two LDS missionaries going door to door.What is your point? I have a "No Soliciting " sign on my door and they skip my house. Maybe they see the mezzusah and don't knock.
Whoop-de-do.
The reward for your lack of spine, discernment, circumspection and prudence in exerting weak‑kneed compromise in casting your ballet will be the continuing knowledge that you betrayed your children and country instead of courageously and stoically voting for a bold‑spirited, conservative, third‑party candidate.
Don't expect the appreciation of history, more likely something like the revolted silence of the world at the silent majority of World War 2 Germans.
Thank you. I think it was around the first century that Jews got into so much trouble proselytizing that they decided the best policy would be “ Live And Let Live”
If Mitt Romney had actually followed the precepts of his own religion while Governor of Massachussetts and as a Republican Presidential candidate, instead of perpetually putting his finger to the wind and periodically embracing political and social schemes completely at odds with his professed Mormonism, perhaps we wouldn't have a light-in-the-loafers crypto-Muslim Marxist in the White House today.
But no, he had to be the stereotypical weathervane politician, shifting with the winds. He has no core values at all, and that even extends to his faith, which is not much faith at all, otherwise he wouldn't have sought to remake it for public consumption. for political purposes.
That's the problem with the bash LDS threads. The bashers generally don't really espouse any kind of doctrine.
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts, and always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you, with meekness and fear;
1Pe 3:16 having a good conscience, that when they defame you as evildoers, those who revile your good conduct in Christ may be ashamed.
Rarely have I seen good conduct on these threads. And barely any meekness or fear. I'm not saying that these people in real life aren't like that...they may appear to their friends, neighbors and fellow church goers as great people. But their internet presence is that of a gang of bullies.
They rarely display any fruits of the spirit:
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
Gal 5:23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
These threads generally are full of people high fiving each other over who can slam LDS the most...and often individual LDS.
One of the biblical requirements for being an elder in the God's church is:
1Ti 3:7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
I think it's clear that most of the hardcore group of LDS bashers believe that the LDS are "outside". I'm also equally sure that the LDS do NOT have good testimony about them.
Tit 3:1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, Tit 3:2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men.
Tit 3:3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.
Tit 3:4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared,
Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
Tit 3:6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
They seem not to understand that yelling and screaming that someone is a sinner/wrong/goingtohell isn't the biblically prescribed way to talk to those they consider to be outside the faith:
2Ti 2:24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,
2Ti 2:25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,
The thing is that it's possible to be kind to anyone...even if we don't believe what they believe.
According to the story line it was real fear, because of the edict that went out from Mordecai in the name of the king, that all enemies of the Jews be destroyed.
Many decided to become Jews rather than face destruction.
Where do you fall on the spectrum of Judaism? You don’t really sound Orthodox, no offense intended if you actually are.
I have longtime close friends, a married couple, who attend a Reform Temple, one more of a lapsed Catholic who goes because of his wife, with the wife being the daughter of devout Orthodox Russian immigrants. He’s always been politically conservative, she’s never been hostile but hasn’t realy been conservative. She’s slowly returning to the faith of her parents and her politics are likewise shifting.
How a faith grounded in what we know as the Old Testament ever became so ... what, watered down?, as some Temples are, is beyond me. I suspect they as a group don’t really believe deep down, but Temple rather serves as a touchstone for ethnic identity.
Is this anywhere near actuality or am I wide of the mark?
Just ask them where the historical archeological evidence for Joseph Smith’s prophecies actually are?
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