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To: Colofornian
Who has special "training" in this kind of discernment?

I do!!

< Shake their hand and feel for BONES!!!

http://nowscape.com/mormon/handshake.htm

40 posted on 10/14/2010 12:53:03 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; Logophile; Texan Tory; Paragon Defender; restornu; All
Who has special "training" in this kind of discernment? I do!! < Shake their hand and feel for BONES!!!

ALL: Actually, that's Joseph Smith's advice. Is that you can "test" the nature of a spirit by the handshake ... oh, and by the color of his hair!!!

Smith claimed (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 214-215) to be able to "distinguish" between a "good" angel and a "bad" with this "spiritually offered" discernment: "By the color of his hair; that is one of the signs that he can be known by..."

(It's a "good thing" to know that a demon can't deceive a Mormon thru dying his hair or something like that)

And then, as Elsie said, the handshake.

Lds author Duane Crowther said: "These are the spirits for whom the handshake test of Doctrine and Covenants, section 129, applies." (Life Everlasting, Bookcraft, 1988, p. 247)

And what does this Mormon "scripture" say about shaking hands to discern spirits?

D&C 129:1-9:
1 There are two kinds of beings in heaven, namely: Angels, who are resurrected personages, having bodies of flesh and bones—...
3 Secondly: the spirits of just men made perfect, they who are not resurrected, but inherit the same glory.
4 When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you.
5 If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand.
6 If he be the spirit of a just man made perfect he will come in his glory; for that is the only way he can appear—
7 Ask him to shake hands with you, but he will not move, because it is contrary to the order of heaven for a just man to deceive; but he will still deliver his message.

8 If it be the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.
9 These are three grand keys whereby you may know whether any administration is from God.

Bottom-line, Smith had ZERO discernment on how to tell the difference between a demon masquerading as a ghost (Moroni), and a true angel.

45 posted on 10/14/2010 1:37:04 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Elsie; Logophile; Paragon Defender; Texan Tory
Who has special "training" in this kind of discernment? I do!! < Shake their hand and feel for BONES!!! [Elsie] In short, my original statement still stands: Mormons do not practice necromancy. We do not "summon up" the dead for any purpose. [Logophile, post #33]

Fact is that Mormons have openly welcomed communication from the spirits and the supposed dead. And they think because they have been given a "priesthood," that they cannot be deceived.

John Weldon and John Ankerberg, in their book, The Facts on the Mormon Church by Harvest House, 1991/2009, pp. 69-70, noted:

A sermon delivered by Elder Parley Pratt in 1853 (five years after the celebrated spiritist movement began in America) indicates early Mormon acceptance of Joseph Smith as a 'divine' medium. Jesus Christ was given the role of a spiritistic mediator, and spiritism was to be practiced in the Mormon temple. Pratt gloried in Joseph Smith's role in receiving the Book of Mormon from a spirit:

Ankerberg and Weldon quoted Parley P. Pratt, the great-great grandfather of Mitt Romney: Who communicated with our great modern Prophet, and revealed through him as a medium, the ancient history of the hemisphere, and the records of the ancient dead? Moroni, who had lived 1400 years before...Who instructed him in the mysteries of the kingdom?...Angels and spirits from the eternal worlds...conversations and correspondence with...spirits, shall be had only in the sanctuary of His holy temple on the earth...One of the leading or fundamental truths of Mormon philosophy [is] that the living may hear from the dead.

Pratt said it was "such an important blessing as to hear from the dead. And how shall we discriminate between those who seek to Him, and those who seek the same by unlawful means." (JoD, 2:45-46, April 6, 1853) [Note: unlawful means...Pratt id'd mediums...] "...the Lord has appointed a Holy Priesthood on the earth...and has committed to this Priesthood the keys of holy and divine revelation, and of correspondence, or communication between angels, spirits, and men..." (Parley P. Pratt, Journal of Discourses 2:45-46, April 6, 1853)

There ya go, Logo. Pratt called Smith a "medium." He said it's a fundamental "truth of Mormonism" that the living hear from the dead, and how it's an "important blessing" to hear from the dead. Pratt said these manifestations from the dead were to be in hauntings at the Mormon temples.

Was this teaching peculiar among Lds "apostles" only to Pratt? Not at all. Consider Lds "apostle" Charles W. Penrose, 1888:

"Knowledge that is needful concerning the spiritual sphere will come through an appointed channel and in the appointed place. The temple where the ordinances can be administered for the dead, is the place to hear from the dead. The Priesthood in the flesh, when it is necessary, will receive communications from the priesthood behind the veil." Lds apostle Charles W. Penrose, Mormon Doctrine, 1888, published through the Juvenile Instructor's office, SLC, pp. 40-41

There ya go. Pratt talked about Smith as a "medium"; and Penrose said channeling from the dead would take place at the appointed place (temple).

46 posted on 10/14/2010 1:50:37 PM PDT by Colofornian
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