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To: Tennessee Nana
a woman cannot “be in travail” if she is having a painless birthing process.

Can't she? There seem to me to be parts of labor which are not painful but are still 'work' (= travail).

244 posted on 10/08/2010 7:59:35 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Mad Dawg

There seem to me to be parts of labor which are not painful but are still ‘work’ (= travail).
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Really ???

and how many babies did you have 2,000 years ago that would make you such an expert on childbirth in those days ???


262 posted on 10/08/2010 10:17:01 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Mad Dawg; Tennessee Nana

And it makes no sense that Jesus came to earth in a human body, was tempted in every way just as we are, and was spared the fullness of the human experience.

This nonsense about how Mary gave birth is RIDICULOUS.

Mary was a normal human woman, a virgin at the time of conception and birth as necessitated by prophecy, and that was all.

The rest is all fairy tales. There is no scriptural support for all the speculations and Catholic church teachings about Mary.

If it’s not clearly defined in Scripture, there’s simply no justification for making things up about her and teaching them as fact and then saying, *Well, the Bible didn’t say it didn’t happen, so we can assume it did because we have out *tradition*.

Hogwash.

Tradition is NOT infallible. Word of mouth is NOT reliable. Never has been, never will be.


280 posted on 10/09/2010 6:23:46 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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