Posted on 10/04/2010 12:57:36 PM PDT by Amerisrael
Art Vanick, co-author of The Spalding Enigma, Who Really Wrote The Book of Mormon, makes an appearance on Out of Mormonism to address the Glenn Beck Restoring Honor Rally.
Andy, Art, and Roger discuss the ramifications of the rally from a biblical Christian perspective.
Do Christians understand that Mormonism is different than biblical Christianity?
[ These are two separate "Out of Mormonism" radio podcasts from Mesa, Arizona. Very interesting.]
While Mormonism may not pose the violent / stealth and political threat that Islam does, from a spiritual standpoint, it is just as dangerous.
(Excerpt) Read more at outofmormonism.libsyn.com ...
I posted factual information and rebutted your allegations.
Why don't you answer the questions? Am I not "honest" enough for you?
I don't care if my status, or in this case, my previous status, carries any weight with you.
"Some people, such as yourself I suspect, just need something to complain about. Attacking the LDS Church, I suspect, simply gives you something to do whilst attempting to make yourself feel better about your choice."
That's the boilerplate SLC rejection statement towards an apostate. Sorry, been there done that. It's SLC's way of attempting to marginalize those of us who've left so that we aren't taken seriously.
The sad thing is, the result of such a position is the ostracizing of apostate family members by active mormon family members. May not be systemic, but it's implicit and it's not viewed by the church as a behavior that would put an active member who does ostracize in jeopardy. If anything, the temple recommend questions support the behavior.
You continue to make implications towards "attack goons", "attack squads", etc.
Why is it always a personal thing?
As is typical of with anti-Mormon writings, there is truth misrepresented.
I would suggest looking these things up at some other sites as well. Here’s a few links to get your started from a different viewpoint. The vast majority of the “issues” brought up can be found and addressed at http://www.fairlds.org/ I have found but here’s more.
http://scriptures.lds.org/
http://www.lds.org
http://www.fairlds.org/
http://www.mormonwiki.com/Main_Page
http://www.lightplanet.com/response/index.html
http://www.jefflindsay.com/LDS_Intro.shtml
http://www.answeringantimormons.com/index.htm
http://promormon.blogspot.com/
Comes with the territory I suppose.
I guess us evil and ignorant apostates are supposed to not be seen or heard from ever again.
I wonder what ole BY would have done to us if he was around today? ;^)
That’s the boilerplate SLC rejection statement towards an apostate. Sorry, been there done that. It’s SLC’s way of attempting to marginalize those of us who’ve left so that we aren’t taken seriously.
Actually it’s most likely the truth.
‘The Danites ‘l getcha, if ya don’t watch out!’
So you agree with what is in post #135 regarding the Mormonism religion DOCTRINE of eternal progression. Thanks, for your honesty by omission.
More word games yay!
Well, since you don’t know what things are misrepresented, why don’t you call a few of your high-five club to help you enumerate? You toss out blanket denials but have no ability to enumerate, indicating you really don’t know what Mormonism has a DOCTRINE. Ya know, that’s a sign of a cult follower.
Hey! We agreed on something! SLC does marginalize apostates. See, that wasn't so hard was it?
Z has been tried by fire, but I doubt these childish rantings could be considered as such....remember the old schoolyard reply to such name-calling..."Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me"...and these juvenile rants against someone who had the temerity to leave what mormons consider their "true" church show that Smithian trait that has come down from Smith himself, through all the so-called "prophets" and all the mormons who have delighted in maligning Christianity for 180 years.
And folks are supposed to believe that God REALLY wants His people to see them as examples of His best work? Don't think so.
When I was undergoing similar treatment by mormons, I always thought to myself, "Do any of these people put one single bean upon my children's table?" And the answer was no. And their disapproval meant nothing to me then, nor does it now.
You are right.
You are right.
More word games yay!
Well, since you don’t know what things are misrepresented, why don’t you call a few of your high-five club to help you enumerate? You toss out blanket denials but have no ability to enumerate, indicating you really don’t know what Mormonism has a DOCTRINE.
Oh I know the doctrine and it’s obvious to anyone who looks into it. I know that going back and forth with an anti-Mormon attack squad member is pointless. It would go on and on and do no good whatsoever. Been there. Done that.
Footnotes
1. "We were begotten by our Father in Heaven; the person of our Father in Heaven was begotten on a previous heavenly world by His Father; and again, He was begotten by a still more ancient Father; and so on, from generation to generation, ... we wonder in our minds, how far back the genealogy extends, and how the first world was formed, and the first father was begotten" (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p.132).
"Some people are troubled over the statements of the Prophet Joseph Smith.... The matter that seems such a mystery is the statement that our Father in heaven at one time passed through a life and death and is an exalted man. This is one of the mysteries.... The Prophet taught that our Father had a Father and so on. Is not this a reasonable thought, especially when we remember that the promises are made to us that we may become like him?" (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp.10, 12).
2."Jesus was the bridegroom at the marriage of Cana of Galilee...We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into relation whereby he could see his seed [children] before he was crucified (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 82).
"There was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and on a careful reading of that transaction, it will be discovered that non less a person that Jesus Christ was married on that occasion. If he was never married, his intimacy with Mary and Martha an the other Mary also whom Jesus loved, must have been highly unbecoming and improper to say the best of it." (Orson Hyde, Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 259).
"In the Church councils, it was spoken of: "Joseph F. Smith_ He spoke upon the marriage in Cana of Galilee. He thought Jesus was the bridegroom and Mary and Martha the brides."(Journal of Wilford Woodruff, July 22, 1883).
"The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers who rose in that age. A belief in doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were Mormons (Jedediah Grant, Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 346). "One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that great loved Jesus, such as Mary and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them and associated with the much; and when he arose from the dead, instead of first showing himself to his chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them--namely, Mary Magdalene. Now, it would be very natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were his wives." (Orson Pratt, The Seer, p. 159).
When?
Please, exactly how does that work again?
LOL... Anyways facts are not open to interpretations, they stand on their own, hence the failure of Mormonism to present one shred of real evidence for it's myths and fables. Argue doctrinal issues with in reason, but tangibles such as places, peoples and cultures either exist or they don't.
If the term “apologist” is new to you or beyond your understanding perhaps a little reading out side of the fiction section will be of benefit.
Again thanks for your help in our efforts.
ouch...
You know PD, I used to doubt you were and anti Mormon, I mean we have heard that from Morg Apologist in the past. But given the logical disconnect and emotional tone in your postings I am having second thoughts.
As it is I have never heard of a rational person accept the Mormon story when presented without undue pressure or facing some spiritual weakness that the LDS prey upon.
So like I said, I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt...
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