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Bible: Revelation 17

Really? This is where you "learned" that the Catholic Church killed the first Christian martyrs? Please explain how the Catholic Church facilitated the martyrdom of Saint Stephen in Acts 7 (this should be real interesting considering that anti-Catholic lore is largely predicated upon the absurd notion that the Catholic Church didn't exist prior to the Council of Nicea in 325),

Any comment on anything else I wrote, or did you not understand it (I apologize for my unwillingness to write at a level that the comic book educated will comprehend).

I'll see if I can make it simpler, what language SHOULD Saint Jerome have translated the Bible into? You need to not only be specific, you need to be prepared to demonstrate that this language ACTUALLY EXISTED in the late 4th century and that it WAS DEVELOPED ENOUGH to allow for an accurate translation. You may not know this, but the reason that there were no real attempts to translate the Bible into other languages prior to the 14th century is because there weren't any languages that were developed enough. The Church rejected Wycliffe's translation for one reason and one reason only, it was horribly deficient at parts -- however, this was not Wycliffe's fault, it is because the English language didn't have enough words.

48 posted on 10/01/2010 12:11:41 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; bibletruth
Well, wagg, we have folks who belong to fringe cults like the Branch Davidians who think that for 2000 years, Christ's message was lost, until they got some bible truths that were denied to others. These are egoists and basically idiots who can't read the bible, but rather read excerpts and put their own spin on things. They know nothing and say a lot of garbage. The worst among them pretend to be "pastors" but are the false shepherd who will burn if they lead others astray. The others are just idiots suffering from non-compos-mentis probably due to their being dropped repeatedly on their heads when a baby.

I don't classify this sort as Protestant, but as anti-Everything. Real Protestants are Christians who will disagree with us on theological or socio-political matters, but the sort that rounds about on Catholic threads and spout lies are basically loons who have no grounds for their hate, just that they need to hate and then they convince themselves that they alone know the truths of the bible
63 posted on 10/02/2010 12:48:22 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: wagglebee
there were no real attempts to translate the Bible into other languages prior to the 14th century is because there weren't any languages that were developed enough.

All I can speak for is English, but there was Bible translation in the Old English period (say from the 9th century). The Old English Heptateuch survives, as well as Gospel translations. Probably some others too, and there is a poetic paraphrase of Judith. I don't know whether Paul was even attempted (for the reasons you adduce), but it's hard to tell how much there was because of the Norse invasions and the later despoiling of the monasteries under Henry VIII. As it is, the vast majority of Old English that survives (what there is of it) is in the West Saxon dialect -- almost nothing from the other dialects. (BTW, that's one reason Chaucer is so different -- IIRC, his dialect was the Kentish.)

65 posted on 10/02/2010 8:00:37 AM PDT by maryz
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To: wagglebee
You could point out also that literacy in those early ages was not widespread and that (outside of the privileged classes in the ancient world) the Church was the only entity spreading literacy -- and that was sometimes an uphill struggle. Alfred the Great once famously said that reading and writing were only for women and priests! He later changed his view and did learn.

Another nugget is that the Cyrillic alphabet was developed as a tool of conversion!

66 posted on 10/02/2010 8:09:56 AM PDT by maryz
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