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To: greyfoxx39; Paragon Defender; restornu
Eagerly awaiting your posting the proof from the Bible that baptism for the dead is "Jesus' way of doing things"....

Reading comprehension issues? Read what you bolded..."There is a path left for all to get out of Damnation, that is Jesus way of doing things."

Giving man a pathway out of damnation... that is Jesus' way of doing things? Do you need a scriptural reference for that? Anyone here know the definition of Atonement?...

Buheler?

Buheler?

Anyone?

OK, fine, now the Mormons can answer...

Jesus didn't come up with the scam that would keep mormon church coffers full by requiring "busy work" that "incidentally" was only allowed to be done by those who paid to buy the temple entry ticket.

LOL, so do I need to give you a biblical reference for Tithing? (This is just funny) fine Malachi 3:8-10

AS for requirements, it's a commandment to do the work, but you can do the work without a temple recommend, there are lots of Mormons who work on genealogy and extraction programs, no recommend required.

Rather than a "way to get out of damnation", it's a pitiful example of how brain-washing affects Biblically ignorant folks.

Yes, it's a sad thing to witness those who are ignorant, Biblically, historically, and culturally of Jesus' time.

Sad indeed, Baptism for the Dead is a Scripturally, archaeologically, and historically proven practice.

Do you need some links to cumran or Historical evidence for baptism for the dead? Wish granted!

greyfoxx39, I love you with the love of Christ which I bear, will you humble yourself before him and ask his forgiveness? If you do, will you ask him if it is his will for you to read the Book of Mormon, then wait in faith for his answer. If you will do this, I testify to you that you will receive both knowledge and forgiveness.

Go with God, better yet, go to God.

Delph
754 posted on 10/05/2010 10:42:25 AM PDT by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
ETERNAL PROGRESSION
by Lisa Ramsey Adams

The principle of eternal progression cannot be precisely defined or comprehended, yet it is fundamental to the LDS worldview. The phrase "eternal progression" first occurs in the discourses of Brigham Young. It embodies many concepts taught by Joseph Smith, especially in his King Follett discourse. It is based on the proposition that "there is no such thing as principle, power, wisdom, knowledge, life, position, or anything that can be imagined, that remains stationary—they must increase or decrease" (Young, JD 1:350).

Progression takes many forms. In one sense, eternal progression refers to everything that people learn and experience by their choices as they progress from premortal life, to mortality, to postmortal spirit life, and to a resurrected state in the presence of God.

Personal progression is possible in each of these states, but not the same kind of progression. Progression apparently occurred in the premortal life, for most spirits there chose to follow Christ and some were noble and great, while others chose to follow Lucifer. Entering mortality affords opportunities for further progression. Obtaining a physical body is a crucial step, enabling a person to experience physical sensations of all kinds and to progress in knowledge and understanding, all of which will rise with the person in the Resurrection (D&C 130:18). Brigham Young taught that even in mortality, "We are in eternity" (JD 10:22), and the object of this existence is "to learn to enjoy more, and to increase in knowledge and experience" (JD 14:228). "When we have learned to live according to the full value of the life we now possess, we are prepared for further advancement in the scale of eternal progression—for a more glorious and exalted sphere" (JD 9:168).

Life is never static. "One must progress or retrograde. One cannot stand still. Activity is the law of growth, and growth, progress, is the law of life" (A. Bowen, in Christ's Ideals for Living, O. Tanner, ed., Salt Lake City, 1980, p. 368). A person's attitude about ""eternal progression' will largely determine his philosophy of life…exalting, increasing, expanding and extending broader and broader until we can know as we are known, see as we are seen" (Young, JD 16:165).

At the Resurrection and Judgment, people will be assigned a degree of glory. Further progress is believed possible within each degree. Marriage and family life, however, continue only in the Celestial Kingdom, allowing "eternal increase" through having spirit children (see Eternal Lives, Eternal Increase). "All this and more that cannot enter into our hearts to conceive is promised to the faithful, and are but so many stages in that ceaseless progression of eternal lives" (Young, JD 10:5).

No official Church teaching attempts to specify all the ways in which God progresses in his exalted spheres; "there is no end to [His] works, neither to [His] words" (Moses 1:38). God's glory and power are enhanced as his children progress in glory and power (see Moses 1:39; Young, JD 10:5). Ideas have been advanced to explain how God might progress in knowledge and still be perfect and know all things (see Foreknowledge of God; Omnipotent God).

The concept of eternal progression is a salient feature of the gospel of Jesus Christ, readily distinguishable from traditional Christian theology. The philosophical views of the Middle Ages were basically incompatible with such a concept, and the idea of progress that emerged in the eighteenth-century Enlightenment was that of social evolution (Bury, The Idea of Progress, London, 1932). The traditional Christian view has held that those in heaven enter "a state of eternal, inactive joy. In the presence of God they would worship him and sing praises to him eternally, but nothing more" (Widtsoe, p. 142). Latter-day Saints, however, constantly seek personal and righteous improvement not only by establishing Zion in this world, but by anticipating the continuation of progression eternally.

Bibliography
Widtsoe, John A. "Is Progress Eternal or Is There Progress in Heaven?" IE 54 (Mar. 1951):142; see also Evidences and Reconciliations, pp. 179-85, Salt Lake City, 1960.
Encyclopedia of Mormonism, Vol. 1, Eternal Progression Copyright © 1992 by Macmillan Publishing Company I'm wondering if Delph will ever explain the mormon/LDS/FLDS DOCTRINE of eternal progression? Probably waiting upon the FARMS/FAIR delegated data for posting what the hive currently approves.

756 posted on 10/05/2010 11:02:46 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: greyfoxx39; DelphiUser

GF -
One has to shake their head that a simple link to a ‘google’ search PROVES necrodunking, let alone necrodunking was an approved practice of the first century church. Especially when that link provides sources that further refute the practice -

http://www.irr.org/mit/baptism-for-the-dead.html
http://www.christiancourier.com/articles/74-mormon-doctrine-baptism-for-the-dead
http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/Ted_Hildebrandt/NTeSources/NTArticles/BSac-NT/Reaume-BaptDead1Cor-BS.pdf
http://www.catholic.com/library/Mormonism_Baptism_for_the_Dead.asp


757 posted on 10/05/2010 11:03:41 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: DelphiUser; colorcountry; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; ...
greyfoxx39, I love you with the love of Christ which I bear, will you humble yourself before him and ask his forgiveness? If you do, will you ask him if it is his will for you to read the Book of Mormon, then wait in faith for his answer. If you will do this, I testify to you that you will receive both knowledge and forgiveness.

My testimony of the experience is HERE

I have posted here before that after much study, prayer and fasting, I received a message from the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon was not a message from God, that Joseph Smith's "revelation" was not from the spirit of God, and that Christ is the Savior of mankind. That Christ is with me always, and that HE is the only way to salvation through HIS grace, not through empty works or rituals.

This is MY testimony to all.

I invite all Christians to praise Him here, but I don't believe it necessary to "defend" your faith against a challenge from those who are mislead. If any care to take up the challenge of reading the Book of Mormon and asking God its truth, please do so. But be aware that if you receive a message that it is NOT true, you will be told by mormons that YOU failed in some way.

DU's response to this is

HERE

"I'm asking you again, how exactly did you receive your negative message?

What exactly were you asking God in your prayer?

What exactly were your preparations for an answer from on high?

Please understand I am not trying to tear you down, but your actions are not consistent with your words here and I as an analyst must either conclude that you have left something vital out of your report, or you have falsified it in some way. I do not like to think that my Christian brethren would lie about something so important to the salvation of the soul, so I ask for more information to help me and any Lurkers to rectify the apparent contradictions of your story with your actions."

So, if anyone is tempted to take challenge to "read and pray about the Book of Mormon"...be wary of posting the result here, lest you be arrogantly called a liar.

760 posted on 10/05/2010 11:10:06 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (We now have confirmation that Barack Obama truly loves poor people. He is creating so many!)
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To: DelphiUser
Anyone here know the definition of Atonement?...

The MORMON one?

769 posted on 10/05/2010 12:19:47 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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