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To: MHGinTN; restornu
Keep in mind also, that Jesus criticized and eventually condemned the Pharisees not because they didn't believe in him, but because they didn't believe him (Jesus/Yahweh).

The seven woes

At the same time you cannot worship the words of Paul, over the entire NT.

Here's what Jesus Christ said:

(Young's Literal Translation) And having come near, Jesus spake to them, saying, 'Given to me was all authority in heaven and on earth; Matthew 28:18

(Young's Literal Translation) having gone, then, disciple all the nations, (baptizing them -- to the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Matthew 28:19

(Young's Literal Translation) teaching them to observe all, whatever I did command you,) and lo, I am with you all the days -- till the full end of the age. Matthew 28:20

Restornu, if this isn't interesting to you or your list, please tell me and I'll drop you from pinging.

668 posted on 10/03/2010 1:47:18 PM PDT by 1010RD (First Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD; MHGinTN; restornu; All
Keep in mind also, that Jesus criticized and eventually condemned the Pharisees not because they didn't believe in him, but because they didn't believe him (Jesus/Yahweh).

Why is it, 1010RD, I've corrected you numerous times from a Biblical response and I've rarely ever gotten a response from you? (Let's see if you again prove yourself to be consistent in this regard)

Note, ALL, how 1010RD tries to come across as absolutely authoritative on this...as if he has studied the Bible through and through, and can now conclude in his claim to MHGinTN that, no, it wasn't really anything about Jesus' identity that was problematic for the Pharisees. Nope. 'Twas only that the Pharisees found Jesus to be untrustworthy that was at issue.

Yet what was Jesus' claim to the Pharisees? Would that Jesus have agreed with 1010RD's supposed authoritative claim on this? Or does it yet (again) show how incomplete his studies are in the New Testament?

21Once more Jesus said to them, "I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come." 22This made the Jews ask, "Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, 'Where I go, you cannot come'?" 23But he continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins." (Jesus, John 8:21-24)

Here, Jesus clearly highlighted in v. 24 that His very Identity was the key issue with the Pharisees.

In fact, Jesus closed out this lengthy message to the Pharisees with yet another emphasis on His divine Identity to clearly underscore this: ..."before Abraham was born, I am!" (John 8:58)

Jesus repeatedly uses the same sacred "I AM" reference of Exodus 3:14 and applies it to Himself...to the point where the Pharisees in John 8 and John 10 continually are picking up stones to attempt upon Him the punishment for blasphemy, as Jesus is clearly making Himself out to be God.

The Pharisees clearly understood this, even if 1010RD doesn't.

ALL: Don't be fooled by such tactics.

674 posted on 10/03/2010 4:24:14 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: 1010RD
Restornu, if this isn't interesting to you or your list, please tell me and I'll drop you from pinging.

If a MORMON don't post it; then she probably don't give much of a care.

689 posted on 10/03/2010 7:06:17 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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