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To: aMorePerfectUnion

All of God’s revelations are not found in the Bible. I am glad that we live in a day when more revelations are available to us and we are able to learn more of the great plan of the eternal God.

What people say on this internet board is not going to hinder the Lord’s work one bit.

From the very beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there have been people who have tried to thwart its progress.

As Joseph Smith the prophet stated in 1842:

“The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.” (History of the Church 4:540)


255 posted on 09/22/2010 12:33:33 PM PDT by Normandy
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To: Normandy; Saundra Duffy
Norm, assume for a moment that I agree with what you posted as a quote from Joseph Smith. Assume that the quote is 100% accurate in what it asserts. Was Joe speaking as a prophet then, or merely as a man? ...

You see, Norm, even satan quoted scripture to Jesus. Would satan have been speaking as a prophet in those instances? No, not possible. Because God would not anoint one such as satan to be a prophet to anyone, especially Jesus. Now, look very closely at the life of your supposed LDS prophet, and recall that even satan quotes scripture when it serves his twisted purposes.

Notice what your mind probably just did? ... You probably immediately had come to mind the some instance which would be iffy regarding speaking as prophet, like when in the Bible a donkey spoke to instruct Balaam. Yes, God would use a donkey, but the donkey would not be speaking as a prophet.

Are prophets of God perfect men or women? No, old Jonah immediately jumps to mind. But God does not take an unregenerate peepstone conman teenager to be His prophet. If Joseph became born again then was used by God, we might consider him a possible prophet. But Joseph Smith's subsequent behavior speaks volumes about whether he was born again. It is that History of the man which Mormons will not allow themselves to believe, because to see Joseph Smith for what he truly was would shatter the mythos built up around him.

When discussing the sexual predatory behavior of Joseph Smith, Mormonism apologists immediately try to refocus attention upon the wives of Old Testament patriarchs. Why do they do this? Because they mistakenly believe this absolves their chosen prophet from guilt. But it doesn't. The predatory behavior of Joseph Smith stands as screaming testimony that he was a huge fraud.

When I bring up the absurdity Joseph Smith claimed to have 'translated' from Egyptian papri, mormonism apologists have an approved response which is so silly that it is no longer offered at FR! Joseph Smith was a fraud, Norm.

I bring up the truth that Joseph Smith claimed to have re-translated the King James Bible, to render a supposed 'more accurate translation' addressing the specious Mormon claim of believing the Bible so far as it is translated correctly. I point to the more than eight hundred words Smith added to extend the Book of Genesis so he could fabricate a prophecy of his coming forth in these latter days. How do current Mormonism apologists deal with this sticky fact? They ignore it. Why? Perhaps because LDS central has yet to formulate an adequate spin response to this truth! Your own religion does not use the supposed 'more accurate translation' of the King James Bible ... translated we might add into King James English from King James English!

So, Norm, the foundation to your religion is framed by a fraudulent person who was not suitable to be a prophet of God, yet Mormons insist on believing a proven liar, a proven sexual predator, a proven false swearer, a proven false 'translator'.

Now lets return to the quote you offered from Joseph Smith regarding 'The Standard Of Truth'. Do you really believe that God would entrust His Standard of Truth to someone so base and foul as Joseph Smith? ...

Joseph Smith,
--the peepstone fraud who was dragged into court for conning gullible farmers
--the boy who claimed to have variously been visited by God in a body and Jesus in another body, but on another telling of the tale claimed an Angel of light was whom visited him and on another telling claimed ... oh, never mind, the various tales he told have been posted numerous times, as QUOTED FROM LDS SITES
--the Joseph Smith who lied to young women and his wife Emma, so he could take these young women as sexual play things
--the Joseph Smith who lifted whole Masonic rituals (like special handshakes and garments of significance) to give his false religion a semblance of formalism
--the Joseph Smith who lied to married women in order to bed them while they were still married to other men
--the Joseph Smith who tried to establish a separate nation from the United States
--the same Joseph Smith who shot and killed two men when a mob came to drag him from a jail cell

Norm, do you really believe this is the low standard God accepts to deliver His Truth? Surely not! God forbid! You see, Norm, Joseph Smith was a fraud, a servant of demonic influence, a reality we may discern in this day by the false religion he established which is accomplishing the damnation of any who will trust in that religion to guide them to salvation through all that they can do.

The astonishing claim that ALL of Christianity was in total apostasy from the second century until Joseph SMith arrived ought to be a strong enough clue to you that your prophet is not working for God! This lie has so many layers of satanic influence it could fill pages deconstructing it, but know this, Norm: if what Joseph Smith claimed regarding all in Apostasy were true, then God would have been unable to keep His promise given through/by Jesus. Do you really want to believe God could be so feckless?

You may wish to fall upon the plea that the trinity is a man-made concept, like your friend Saundra Duffy desires to fall back upon. But that really ins't the point now, is it Norm? The point is God did not lie through Jesus when He promised even the gates of Hell could not prevail against His Church and that He in the person of His Holy SPirit would never leave or foresake His Church.

Salvation comes through God's Grace in Christ Jesus, and none of all that you can do can add or diminish that Grace. THAT TRUTH infuriates satan, because it is so loving from God to us that satan's brilliance cannot defeat it once applied. Let me re-assert that truth for you Norm: God's Grace to the broken and contrite sinner calling upon Jesus for deliverance cannot be added to OR diminished by anything that you can do. His 'soterism' is as sure to the faither as the DNA you carry from your parents ... you can claim all sorts of things, but you cannot change the DNA which makes you descended from your mother and father.

Jesus, Who knew no sin, died for you. He did not sin, because His seed--His Holy Spirit--remainded within Him as He walked the walk and talked the talk. God's Holy Spirit was not in Joseph Smith, as shown by the twisted deceitful predatory life he led even to his death.

256 posted on 09/22/2010 1:52:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Dems, believing they cannot be deceived, it's nye impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Normandy
From the very beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there have been people who have tried to thwart its progress.

Oh!!

MUCH earlier than that!

The BIBLE warned against those two Angels of LIGHT that lied to Joseph Smith!

259 posted on 09/22/2010 3:06:06 PM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Normandy

“All of God’s revelations are not found in the Bible.”

PROVE IT!

Talk is cheap. Claims are cheaper. PROVE IT. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

“I am glad that we live in a day when more revelations are available to us and we are able to learn more of the great plan of the eternal God.”

PROVE IT! You are making endless, factless, illogical claims on these posts. Over and over. PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

WHERE’S THE BEEF, NORMANDY???

All you have is opinion. If you have FACTS, put them on the table. If not, your post is ALL HAT AND NO CATTLE.

“From the very beginning of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints there have been people who have tried to thwart its progress.”

Sure, Jehovah’s Witnesses can make the same claim. So what?

“As Joseph Smith the prophet stated in 1842:”

Joe was a scammer, as demonstrated in court, under oath.

What else do you have?


266 posted on 09/22/2010 3:45:43 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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