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Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom (1 Cor. 15:50)

In the same passage St. Paul goes on to say that "the dead shall rise again incorruptible: and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption", so this teaches that not only Mary but everyone who is saved will rise in the glorified body.

Paul says all have sinned. (Rom. 5:12)

In one place he says "all", right next he says "many". That is a generalized statement about human condition not intended to assign sin to everyone.

Paul says grace was a free gift from God and came through Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Yes. How is that not Catholic?

nowhere does he compare Mary to Eve.

Perhaps not, so what of it?

Of Eve Paul says she, being “deceived was in the transgression.” (1 Tim. 2:14)

Perhaps you don't understand the Catechism? Certainly Mary is not the type of Eve because Eve sinned, but rather she is a reversal of Eve in that both Mary and Eve were born without sin, yet Eve chose to sin and through her Adam sinned; Mary did not sin and through her Christ was born and redeemed the sin. See Romans 5 again.

There is nothing in St. Paul that is contradictory to Catholicism, but there is much in what he wrote that the Protestants do not understand.

714 posted on 09/27/2010 5:19:37 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: annalex
Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom (1 Cor. 15:50)

The Catholic Catechism says Mary was taken body and soul into heaven. The Catholic Encyclopedia uses the term “corporeal” meaning “flshly” , “solid”.

Paul said in 15:42-49 that those resurrected would have spirit bodies just as Christ had been raised a spirit, vs. 45.
No corporeal body, no assumption of flesh (or blood) into heaven but resurrection as a spirit, says Paul.

Paul says all have sinned. (Rom. 5:12) after saying Christ died for us. Christ died for Mary also, she is part of that “all.”

Paul's use of the word “many” contrasts with the one, Christ, Mary is not exempted anywhere in Scripture from sin, the general human condition. Those who are descended from Adam are sinners said Paul. Mary is that.

Paul says grace was a free gift from God and came through Christ. (Romans 5:15)

How is that not Catholic? For starters the Catholic Catechism says Mary has a “saving office” and is “Meditrix”.
What “saving office”? “Meditrix”? What did she mediate?

Paul says there is one Mediator between man and God, Christ.(1 Tim. 2:5) No Mediatrix, no saving office for Mary, just Christ is Mediator between man and God.

“Perhaps you don't understand the Catechism? Certainly Mary is not the type of Eve because Eve sinned, but rather she is a reversal of Eve in that both Mary and Eve were born without sin, yet Eve chose to sin and through her Adam sinned; Mary did not sin and through her Christ was born and redeemed the sin. See Romans 5 again.”

I understand the Catechism quite well which is why I call its teaching contrary to Scripture.

Eve wasn't born and Mary was. Eve was created perfect, Mary wasn't, Eve was disobedient and deceived, Mary wasn't.
No where in Scripture is one the type of the other in any way.
The Catholic Catechism calls Mary “the Mother of the Church” but Paul said to the Galatians that
“But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.” (Gal. 4:26) not Mary.

“There is nothing in St. Paul that is contradictory to Catholicism,....”

Now all can see that isn't so whether Protestants understand Paul or not.

717 posted on 09/27/2010 7:54:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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