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To: annalex
Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom (1 Cor. 15:50)

The Catholic Catechism says Mary was taken body and soul into heaven. The Catholic Encyclopedia uses the term “corporeal” meaning “flshly” , “solid”.

Paul said in 15:42-49 that those resurrected would have spirit bodies just as Christ had been raised a spirit, vs. 45.
No corporeal body, no assumption of flesh (or blood) into heaven but resurrection as a spirit, says Paul.

Paul says all have sinned. (Rom. 5:12) after saying Christ died for us. Christ died for Mary also, she is part of that “all.”

Paul's use of the word “many” contrasts with the one, Christ, Mary is not exempted anywhere in Scripture from sin, the general human condition. Those who are descended from Adam are sinners said Paul. Mary is that.

Paul says grace was a free gift from God and came through Christ. (Romans 5:15)

How is that not Catholic? For starters the Catholic Catechism says Mary has a “saving office” and is “Meditrix”.
What “saving office”? “Meditrix”? What did she mediate?

Paul says there is one Mediator between man and God, Christ.(1 Tim. 2:5) No Mediatrix, no saving office for Mary, just Christ is Mediator between man and God.

“Perhaps you don't understand the Catechism? Certainly Mary is not the type of Eve because Eve sinned, but rather she is a reversal of Eve in that both Mary and Eve were born without sin, yet Eve chose to sin and through her Adam sinned; Mary did not sin and through her Christ was born and redeemed the sin. See Romans 5 again.”

I understand the Catechism quite well which is why I call its teaching contrary to Scripture.

Eve wasn't born and Mary was. Eve was created perfect, Mary wasn't, Eve was disobedient and deceived, Mary wasn't.
No where in Scripture is one the type of the other in any way.
The Catholic Catechism calls Mary “the Mother of the Church” but Paul said to the Galatians that
“But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.” (Gal. 4:26) not Mary.

“There is nothing in St. Paul that is contradictory to Catholicism,....”

Now all can see that isn't so whether Protestants understand Paul or not.

717 posted on 09/27/2010 7:54:16 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
The Catholic Catechism says Mary was taken body and soul into heaven

The Church also teaches that we all, if we make it at all, will be taekn to heeven and live in our bodies, as we "put on incorruption", just like St. Paul teaches in 1 Cor 15. I explained it once, I believe, in my previous post.

Paul's use of the word “many” contrasts with the one

He uses "all" in the sense of "many" because in v 18 he says "all" and in the next verse he repeats the same though and says "many":

[18] Therefore, as by the offence of one, unto all men to condemnation; so also by the justice of one, unto all men to justification of life. [19] For as by the disobedience of one man, many were made sinners; so also by the obedience of one, many shall be made just. (Rm 5)

Mary did not need to be specially exempted; St. Paul never condemned absolutely all as sinners. That is one of his talmusdisms, teachign by exagerration.

What did she mediate?

As she prays for us, Mary participates in the work of the Church mediating grace (compare 1 Timothy 2:1, where Timothy is asked to do the same thing). All grace, nevertheless comes through Christ to Whom both Mary and I, and you, pray. There is no contradiction here (see the rest of 1 Timothy 2:1-5).

Eve was created perfect, Mary wasn't,

Says you.

Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all

One type does not negate another. In Rav. 12 Mary is the mother of all who "obey the commandments of Christ". She is certainly mother of St. John.

725 posted on 09/28/2010 5:20:06 AM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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