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To: annalex
Paul “a good Catholic”? Hmmmm....let's see.

Mary bodily assumed into heaven?

Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom
(1 Cor. 15:50)

Mary free from sin?

Paul says all have sinned. (Rom. 5:12)

“But especially Eve, the mother of all the living (Genesis 3:20), is considered as a type of Mary who is the mother of all the living in the order of grace [16].” (Catholic Encyclopedia)

Paul says grace was a free gift from God and came through Christ. (Romans 5:15) Did Paul overlook Mary?

Paul discusses type and anti-types extensively but nowhere does he compare Mary to Eve.
Of Eve Paul says she, being “deceived was in the transgression.” (1 Tim. 2:14)

I think it's clear in this and so many other teachings Paul is at odds with Catholic doctrine and teaching.

702 posted on 09/27/2010 8:33:48 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom (1 Cor. 15:50)

In the same passage St. Paul goes on to say that "the dead shall rise again incorruptible: and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption", so this teaches that not only Mary but everyone who is saved will rise in the glorified body.

Paul says all have sinned. (Rom. 5:12)

In one place he says "all", right next he says "many". That is a generalized statement about human condition not intended to assign sin to everyone.

Paul says grace was a free gift from God and came through Christ. (Romans 5:15)

Yes. How is that not Catholic?

nowhere does he compare Mary to Eve.

Perhaps not, so what of it?

Of Eve Paul says she, being “deceived was in the transgression.” (1 Tim. 2:14)

Perhaps you don't understand the Catechism? Certainly Mary is not the type of Eve because Eve sinned, but rather she is a reversal of Eve in that both Mary and Eve were born without sin, yet Eve chose to sin and through her Adam sinned; Mary did not sin and through her Christ was born and redeemed the sin. See Romans 5 again.

There is nothing in St. Paul that is contradictory to Catholicism, but there is much in what he wrote that the Protestants do not understand.

714 posted on 09/27/2010 5:19:37 PM PDT by annalex (http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea.php)
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To: count-your-change; annalex; RnMomof7; metmom
CYC: "Paul “a good Catholic”? Hmmmm....let's see.

Mary bodily assumed into heaven?

Paul says flesh and blood cannot inherit God's Kingdom (1 Cor. 15:50)

Mary free from sin?

Paul says all have sinned. (Rom. 5:12)

“But especially Eve, the mother of all the living (Genesis 3:20), is considered as a type of Mary who is the mother of all the living in the order of grace [16].” (Catholic Encyclopedia)

Paul says grace was a free gift from God and came through Christ. (Romans 5:15) Did Paul overlook Mary?

Paul discusses type and anti-types extensively but nowhere does he compare Mary to Eve. Of Eve Paul says she, being “deceived was in the transgression.” (1 Tim. 2:14)

I think it's clear in this and so many other teachings Paul is at odds with Catholic doctrine and teaching."

AMEN. Great examples.

Further, Paul would most certainly have been anathematized by Rome, as all Protestants have been, because He said He "knew whom he had believed," and that he was "confident of this very thing, that He which hath begun a good work in (him) will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ."

No wonder so many Roman Catholics don't "get" Paul.

716 posted on 09/27/2010 6:25:37 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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