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To: vladimir998
By your own words,

“If it is a sacrifice, then it is transubstantiation. St. Augustine makes it pretty clear it is a sacrifice.”

Either it is or isn't, either it's repeated over and again or it isn't.

According to Paul's words the only presentation of Christ's sacrifice was made in heaven and Jesus commanded it be ‘remembered’ (Luke 22:19) not “re-presented”.

336 posted on 09/22/2010 10:13:14 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

You wrote:

“Either it is or isn’t, either it’s repeated over and again or it isn’t.”

Nope. It is re-presented over and over again. The sacrifice was once and for all. But it can be re-presented. It can’t be repeated.

“According to Paul’s words the only presentation of Christ’s sacrifice was made in heaven and Jesus commanded it be ‘remembered’ (Luke 22:19) not “re-presented”.”

John Salza addresses your error:

Then St. Paul writes something that should be striking to our non-Catholic friends. He compares the Old Covenant sacrifices with the sacrifice of Christ by referring to the New Covenant sacrifice as “sacrifices,” in the plural form. St. Paul says:
Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins. Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ has entered, not into a sanctuary made with hands, a copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf (Heb 9:22-24).6
Let’s examine these verses. Because God willed to be appeased through bloodshed to forgive sin, St. Paul explains that both the Old and New Covenants have a “shedding of blood” requirement. St. Paul first describes the rite of purification with blood under the Old Covenant (v.22), and then the same blood purification rite in the New Covenant (v.23). In connection with this shedding of blood, St. Paul says that those in the New Covenant are purified with better sacrifices than those in the Old Covenant.7
There is only one New Covenant blood sacrifice which purifies us and forgives our sins. That is the sacrifice of Jesus on Calvary. Therefore, St. Paul reveals that Christ’s Calvary sacrifice has a plural dimension to it. This plural dimension of Christ’s sacrifice is fulfilled only in the context of its sacramental re-presentation in heaven and on earth in the Holy Mass. This is the pure, single sacrifice that is continually offered from sunrise to sunset around the world in the Eucharist as was prophesied by Jeremiah and Malachi.
St. Paul makes this connection between Christ’s sacrifice in heaven and the Eucharistic sacrifice on earth in a number of verses in his letter to the Hebrews. Before St. Paul reveals Christ’s “sacrifices” in heaven, he says that Jesus “is the mediator of a new covenant” (Heb 9:15). In the context of Jesus’ mediation of the covenant, St. Paul describes how Jesus takes His blood into heaven to forgive sin. The only time Jesus uses the phrase “New Covenant” is when He instituted the Eucharist. Jesus said, “this cup is the new covenant in my blood,”8 and “this is the blood of the covenant which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.”9 The use of the terms “new covenant,” “blood,” and “forgiveness of sin” in Hebrews 9 appear together in Scripture in only one other place: in the accounts of Jesus instituting the Holy Eucharist.
This connects the “sacrifices” of Hebrews with the Eucharistic sacrifice of the Gospels. When we couple the fact that Christ’s heavenly priesthood is modeled after that of Melchizedek who offered bread and wine, we conclude that the “sacrifices” occurring in the heavenly sanctuary are the same “sacrifices” occurring in the Holy Mass. Jesus mandated that these “sacrifices” occur on earth in the Mass when He commanded His apostles at the Last Supper to “do this in memory of me.”10 The “sacrifices” of Hebrews 9:23 refer to the one sacrifice of the Mass, which is offered in a plurality of locations through the world from sunrise to sunset as revealed in Malachi 1:11. We will look at Part II of this feature in a later edition of CFN.
Excerpt modified from John Salza’s best-selling book, The Biblical Basis for the Eucharist (Our Sunday Visitor). To order, go to www.ScriptureCatholic.com.

Here are the footnotes:

6 There are no textual variants for the word “sacrifices” in the Greek manuscripts; thus, Protestants cannot deny that Paul refers to New Covenant “sacrifices,” in the plural.

7 The “copies of the heavenly things” in verse 23 refer to the people of the Old Covenant, as well as the tent, the book and the liturgical vessels that they used. The “heavenly things” in the same verse refer to the people of the New Covenant, the citizens of heaven (Eph 2:19). The focus in both usages is the “people,” since the “shedding of blood” is for the forgiveness of the people’s sins.
8 Lk 22:20; 1 Cor 11:25. See also Mt 26:28; Mk 14:24; Heb 9:20.
9 Mt 26:28; Mk 14:24; See also Lk 22:20; 1 Cor 11:25. See also Heb 9:20.
10 See Luke 22:19; 1 Cor 11:24-25.
http://www.scripturecatholic.com/feature-articles/CFN_-_Devotion_to_the_Precious_Blood_and_Heavenly_Sacrifice.pdf


337 posted on 09/22/2010 10:27:02 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Part of the Vast Catholic Conspiracy (hat tip to Kells))
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