Posted on 09/18/2010 8:26:32 PM PDT by markomalley
Okay, ONE example of chilling fear. Come on!
I have one! (Raising hand and jumping up and down in seat!)
THE BEATITUDES!!!
That’s a bone chilling example what Catholics must do.
(Folds hands and sits primly waiting for the thread monitor, unofficial of course)
You wrote:
“A New Translation of the Bible by James Moffatt (1948), The Authentic New Testament by Hugh J. Schonfield(1956), The New Testament-A Translation by William Barclay(1968)
translate Matthew 26:26, (estin) as “means” or “signifies” by paying attention to the context.”
And that’s just rubbish. I really think you need to buy this book: http://www.amazon.com/Not-Bread-Alone-Robert-Sungenis/dp/1579181244
You also might want to read this: http://www.amazon.com/This-My-Body-Evangelical-Discovers/dp/0931888484
There were words in Hebrew and Aramaic which meant “represent” or “signify”. Christ used none of them at the Last Supper. He meant what He said as He said it.
And, as usual, you Protestants can’t agree with one another:
From the Larger Catechism (Lutheran):
8] Now, what is the Sacrament of the Altar?
Answer: It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ, in and under the bread and wine which we Christians are commanded by the Word of Christ to eat and to drink. 9] And as we have said of Baptism that it is not simple water, so here also we say the Sacrament is bread and wine, but not mere bread and wine, such as are ordinarily served at the table, but bread and wine comprehended in, and connected with, the Word of God.
10] It is the Word (I say) which makes and distinguishes this Sacrament, so that it is not mere bread and wine, but is, and is called, the body and blood of Christ. For it is said:, Accedat verbum ad elementum, et fit sacramentum. If the Word be joined to the element, it becomes a Sacrament. This saying of St. Augustine is so properly and so well put that he has scarcely said anything better. The Word must make a Sacrament of the element, else it remains a mere element. 11] Now, it is not the word or ordinance of a prince or emperor, but of the sublime Majesty, at whose feet all creatures should fall, and affirm it is as He says, and accept it with all reverence, fear, and humility.
12] With this Word you can strengthen your conscience and say: If a hundred thousand devils, together with all fanatics, should rush forward, crying, How can bread and wine be the body and blood of Christ? etc., I know that all spirits and scholars together are not as wise as is the Divine Majesty in His little finger. 13] Now here stands the Word of Christ: Take, eat; this is My body; Drink ye all of it; this is the new testament in My blood, etc. Here we abide, and would like to see those who will constitute themselves His masters, and make it different from what He has spoken. It is true, indeed, that if you take away the Word or regard it without the words, you have nothing but mere bread and wine. 14] But if the words remain with them, as they shall and must, then, in virtue of the same, it is truly the body and blood of Christ. For as the lips of Christ say and speak, so it is, as He can never lie or deceive.
From the Apology of the Augsburg Confession:
We have cited these testimonies, not to undertake a discussion here concerning this subject, for His Imperial Majesty does not disapprove of this article, but in order that all who may read them may the more clearly perceive that we defend the doctrine received in the entire Church, that in the Lord’s Supper the body and blood of Christ are truly and substantially present, and are truly tendered with those things which are seen, bread and wine. And we speak of the presence of the living Christ [living body]; for we know that death hath no more dominion over Him, Rom. 6, 9.
Read this post.
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Honestly, I find it all difficult to take seriously. Someone who is so shallow, immature, and jejune cannot possibly understand Mother Teresa.
Careful - the anti's will take that to mean "Official Vatican Policy". :)
Oh, now I get it! You’re making a joke, right?
Duh! (*slaps forehead*)
ja: I am the one who posted that I thought St. Paul was loony, I am not all Catholics. I do not recall that the rest of the Catholics came to my defense, rather they all pointed out positive things about the epistles of St. Paul.
Did dr. e say ALL Catholics? I don't recall reading that?
The fact that you have twisted my words and tried to make them the words of all Catholics is a good indication of the quality of theological argument that you are able to muster.
Dr. e is not the one who twisted anyone's words.
Don’t tell anyone, but I STILL think St. Paul was loony.
Oh, okay. If you say so.
The same can be said about the Catholic FReepers who behave no differently.
Why don’t you chastise them as well and be equitable?
Like that would ever happen from a RC.
Do you have any idea how that comes across?
Pathetic!
Chapter 1
5 If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
6 But let him ask in faith, with no doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea driven and tossed by the wind. 7 For let not that man suppose that he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
So, you DON’T have any examples?
“we know that Roman Catholics think Paul is “loony”..”
Who’s WE?
*Opus’s Thought for the Day:
Turning off the AC and not eating that fifth Twinky doesn’t make anyone a martyr.
Internet Martyrs Unite! You have nothing to lose but that fat!
You wrote:
“Why must you constantly do battle with a flimsey strawman, rather than addressing what I wrote in my post?”
Why must you make up nonsense such as claiming I “constantly do battle with a flimsey strawman” or that I didn’t address what you wrote?
“I said nothing about a “feeling,” that is where your Godless unbelieving mind has taken you.”
Incorrect. I never claimed you said anything about a feeling. I said, “The word “spiritual” has a wide range of meanings nowadays. It can even mean just a feeling or sentiment. You don’t see a wide difference between those things? If you can’t, then you are seriously missing the obvious.”
So, after you posted something that I NEVER said (I never said “merely spirit”) and I corrected you, you said, “What might the difference be?” I answered your question. And, for answering that question, you are now saying, “Why must you constantly do battle with a flimsey strawman, rather than addressing what I wrote in my post?”
In the future, if you don’t want questions answered, then don’t ask them. Also, don’t make up things I NEVER SAID and then falsely accuse me of making up straw men even though I never did. Your hypocrisy on these points is nothing short of breathtaking.
“You paganism requires a pagan ‘priest,’ and that ‘priest’ has to have powers created by the men that created the belief. That is Papism.”
I am not a pagan. My only God is the Trinity. The Trinity is known universally as the God of Christians. For you to stoop to calling me a pagan shows you already lost this debate and that you probably already know it.
“God’s word says plainly that Christ’s presence here in this age is his spirit. That is not a ‘feeling,’ he speaks to his own. If he speaks not to you, then you are obviously not his.”
I know what He said, and I know He is sacramentally present in the Eucharist and His presence is called the Real Presence. It is not a mere spiritual presence, but the bread becomes His body and the wine becomes His blood - just as His words said.
“Please do not diminish my Lord to a ‘feeling.’”
I didn’t. You did, however, diminish His gift to Christians as paganism. You also falsely posted words I never said and said I said them. You also falsely accused me of creating a straw man for simply answering your question. You have much to work on. Not only do you need to learn scripture and theology, but apparently a great deal of self-knowledge is lacking in your life. I hope and pray the Lord gives you the grace necessary to overcome that.
You wrote:
“But nothing at all like any of the Christians of God’s inerrant word!”
Christ said it was His body. I agree. You don’t.
Yet, this is ignored:
James 2:24: “You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.
I can do dueling passages too.
Why ask me who *we* is?
I just copied and pasted the comment.
Try to keep up with the program.
And Jesus said, paraphrasing, “your work is to believe in Me” and “take my yoke (burden), it’s light” and “fulfill the Great Commission”, all of which we do, even here on Free Republic
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