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Damian Thompson’s take on the Pope at Westminster
WDTPRS ^ | September 18, 2010 | Fr. Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 09/18/2010 6:02:02 AM PDT by NYer

Pope Benedict Westminster HallDamian Thompson offers some analysis. 

I found it reassuring that many of his points are in harmony with some of my thoughts

Here is some of with my E&C:

How odd that it should be the Guardian that grasped the magnitude of what happened yesterday. Andrew Brown, religion editor of Comment is Free, and the possessor of an intellect as mighty and muddled as that of Rowan Williams, writes:

This was the end of the British Empire. [!] In all the four centuries from Elizabeth I to Elizabeth II, England has been defined as a Protestant nation. The Catholics were the Other; sometimes violent terrorists and rebels, sometimes merely dirty immigrants. The sense that this was a nation specially blessed by God arose from a deeply anti-Catholic reading of the Bible. Yet it was central to English self-understanding when Queen Elizabeth II was crowned in 1952 [sic], and swore to uphold the Protestant religion by law established.

For all of those 400 or so years it would have been unthinkable that a pope should stand in Westminster Hall and praise Sir Thomas More, who died to defend the pope’s sovereignty against the king’s. Rebellion against the pope was the foundational act of English power. And now the power is gone, and perhaps the rebellion has gone, too. [!]

This was indeed a day of unthinkable events. Many Protestants will have been disturbed to see Pope Benedict XVI in Westminster Hall praising St Thomas More (who incidentally died to defend what he saw as the sovereignty of God). I don’t agree, [I don’t know as much about it, but I think Damian is right, and I said as much in my piece.] however, that rebellion against the Pope was the “foundational act of English power”.

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Even Catholics who would never be so crude as to say “the Abbey belongs to us, not to you” sensed that history was being re-balanced in some way. [Indeed they would] They realised that the Pope had as much right to sit in that sanctuary as the Archbishop of Canterbury (who, to be fair, showed the Holy Father a degree of respect that implied that he, at least, recognises the spiritual primacy of the See of Peter even if he rejects some of its teachings).  [Williams recognizes Benedict’s "Spiritual primacy"?  I wonder about that.]

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Protestant anti-Catholics, in contrast [to secular humanists to are anti-Catholic], don’t have mates in the media or useful allies in the Church of England. All they can do is watch in horror as the Pope of Rome processes into the church where Protestant monarchs are crowned, declares unambigously that he is the successor of St Peter with responsibility for the unity of Christendom, and then walks out again – to hearty applause.  [And I suspect quite a few of them would also applaud… and will, given time.]

To be honest, I’m still not quite sure what to make of it all myself. Benedict XVI’s speeches are worth reading several times; they often turn out to be more radical than they first appear. But one thing is for sure. Despite the unassuming courtesy of the Pope’s manner, he didn’t give an inch. [Exactly.]

Right! Pope Benedict, as usual, won ground of inestimable worth because he was willing to give something.  In doing so, he compromised on no essential point.  On the contrary, he made himself clear on everything that counted.

Good analysis from Damian, who knows far more about the dynamics of this than the undersigned.

His combox has some truly hateful comments, the sort that are born of panic, guilt, and fear.

Moreover, Benedict XVI is not only the Successor of Peter – a fact he repeated several times in Westminster - he is the Pope of Christian Unity.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: anglican

1 posted on 09/18/2010 6:02:03 AM PDT by NYer
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All they can do is watch in horror as the Pope of Rome processes into the church where Protestant monarchs are crowned, declares unambigously that he is the successor of St Peter with responsibility for the unity of Christendom, and then walks out again

It was truly a jaw dropper.

2 posted on 09/18/2010 6:03:47 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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Pope Benedict XVI, left, raises his arms as he arrives to speak beside Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury Rowan Williams at Lambeth Palace in London, Friday, Sept. 17, 2010.

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Ecumenical Celebration at Westminster Abbey

  
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After his address at Westminster Hall on the late afternoon of 17 September 2010, the Holy Father went to Westminster Abbey in London to the Ecumenical Celebration. Upon arrival with the Archbishops of Canterbury and Westminster, the Holy Father was welcomed by the Dean of the Abbey and the Chapter who presented him to the tomb of the Unknown Soldier, dedicated to the fallen of the First World War, where he pronounced a short prayer for peace on the 70th anniversary of the Battle of Britain.

 


Your Grace, Mr Dean,
Dear Friends in Christ,

I thank you for your gracious welcome. This noble edifice evokes England’s long history, so deeply marked by the preaching of the Gospel and the Christian culture to which it gave birth. I come here today as a pilgrim from Rome, to pray before the tomb of Saint Edward the Confessor and to join you in imploring the gift of Christian unity. May these moments of prayer and friendship confirm us in love for Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour, and in common witness to the enduring power of the Gospel to illumine the future of this great nation.

Pope Benedict XVI was then escorted to the entrance to the sacristy, at the Chapel of St. George and presented to some religious leaders. The Holy Father then went out in procession with the Archbishop of Canterbury, along the nave to the altar of the Coronation.

After the greetings of the Dean of Westminster, Dr. John Hall, and Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, the Holy Father thanked and introduced the ecumenical celebration with the following words:

Dear friends in Christ,

I thank the Lord for this opportunity to join you, the representatives of the Christian confessions present in Great Britain, in this magnificent Abbey Church dedicated to Saint Peter, whose architecture and history speak so eloquently of our common heritage of faith. Here we cannot help but be reminded of how greatly the Christian faith shaped the unity and culture of Europe and the heart and spirit of the English people. Here too, we are forcibly reminded that what we share, in Christ, is greater than what continues to divide us.

I am grateful to His Grace the Archbishop of Canterbury for his kind greeting, and to the Dean and Chapter of this venerable Abbey for their cordial welcome. I thank the Lord for allowing me, as the Successor of Saint Peter in the See of Rome, to make this pilgrimage to the tomb of Saint Edward the Confessor. Edward, King of England, remains a model of Christian witness and an example of that true grandeur to which the Lord summons his disciples in the Scriptures we have just heard: the grandeur of a humility and obedience grounded in Christ’s own example (cf. Phil 2:6-8), the grandeur of a fidelity which does not hesitate to embrace the mystery of the Cross out of undying love for the divine Master and unfailing hope in his promises (cf. Mk 10:43-44).

This year, as we know, marks the hundredth anniversary of the modern ecumenical movement, which began with the Edinburgh Conference’s appeal for Christian unity as the prerequisite for a credible and convincing witness to the Gospel in our time. In commemorating this anniversary, we must give thanks for the remarkable progress made towards this noble goal through the efforts of committed Christians of every denomination. At the same time, however, we remain conscious of how much yet remains to be done. In a world marked by growing interdependence and solidarity, we are challenged to proclaim with renewed conviction the reality of our reconciliation and liberation in Christ, and to propose the truth of the Gospel as the key to an authentic and integral human development. In a society which has become increasingly indifferent or even hostile to the Christian message, we are all the more compelled to give a joyful and convincing account of the hope that is within us (cf. 1 Pet 3:15), and to present the Risen Lord as the response to the deepest questions and spiritual aspirations of the men and women of our time.

As we processed to the chancel at the beginning of this service, the choir sang that Christ is our "sure foundation". He is the Eternal Son of God, of one substance with the Father, who took flesh, as the Creed states, "for us men and for our salvation". He alone has the words of everlasting life. In him, as the Apostle teaches, "all things hold together" … "for in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell" (Col 1:17,19).

Our commitment to Christian unity is born of nothing less than our faith in Christ, in this Christ, risen from the dead and seated at the right hand of the Father, who will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead. It is the reality of Christ’s person, his saving work and above all the historical fact of his resurrection, which is the content of the apostolic kerygma and those credal formulas which, beginning in the New Testament itself, have guaranteed the integrity of its transmission. The Church’s unity, in a word, can never be other than a unity in the apostolic faith, in the faith entrusted to each new member of the Body of Christ during the rite of Baptism. It is this faith which unites us to the Lord, makes us sharers in his Holy Spirit, and thus, even now, sharers in the life of the Blessed Trinity, the model of the Church’s koinonia here below.

Dear friends, we are all aware of the challenges, the blessings, the disappointments and the signs of hope which have marked our ecumenicaljourney. Tonight we entrust all of these to the Lord, confident in his providence and the power of his grace. We know that the friendships we have forged, the dialogue which we have begun and the hope which guides us will provide strength and direction as we persevere on our common journey. At the same time, with evangelical realism, we must also recognize the challenges which confront us, not only along the path of Christian unity, but also in our task of proclaiming Christ in our day. Fidelity to the word of God, precisely because it is a true word, demands of us an obedience which leads us together to a deeper understanding of the Lord’s will, an obedience which must be free of intellectual conformism or facile accommodation to the spirit of the age. This is the word of encouragement which I wish to leave with you this evening, and I do so in fidelity to my ministry as the Bishop of Rome and the Successor of Saint Peter, charged with a particular care for the unity of Christ’s flock.

Gathered in this ancient monastic church, we can recall the example of a great Englishman and churchman whom we honour in common: Saint Bede the Venerable. At the dawn of a new age in the life of society and of the Church, Bede understood both the importance of fidelity to the word of God as transmitted by the apostolic tradition, and the need for creative openness to new developments and to the demands of a sound implantation of the Gospel in contemporary language and culture.

This nation, and the Europe which Bede and his contemporaries helped to build, once again stands at the threshold of a new age. May Saint Bede’s example inspire the Christians of these lands to rediscover their shared legacy, to strengthen what they have in common, and to continue their efforts to grow in friendship. May the Risen Lord strengthen our efforts to mend the ruptures of the past and to meet the challenges of the present with hope in the future which, in his providence, he holds out to us and to our world. Amen.


3 posted on 09/18/2010 6:12:55 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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I ♥ my German shepherd! :)
4 posted on 09/18/2010 6:13:32 AM PDT by maryz
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Perhaps if the Monarchy (thinking Prince Charles here) and the Church of England are not using their church to defend the faith of our fathers, Pope Benedict can borrow it for a while.


5 posted on 09/18/2010 6:20:03 AM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: maryz
Catholic Brits agree!


6 posted on 09/18/2010 6:24:54 AM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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England will never be the same after this visit. I expect lots of people coming back to the Church — and many converts as well.


7 posted on 09/18/2010 1:17:53 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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[Double] NOVENA FOR POPE BENEDICT XVI [Ecumenical]
8 posted on 09/18/2010 1:18:36 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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England will never be the same after this visit. I expect lots of people coming back to the Church — and many converts as well.

I believe you are right!

On the first day of coverage, EWTN's Raymond Arroyo made a similar comment. He noted that each time the pope visits any country, a change takes place. It is not immediate and oftentimes, we never hear about it until many years later.

That reminded me of Pope John Paul II's visit to Israel and the Holy Land in the year 2000. During his pilgrimage, he stopped at one point to bless an olive tree on the Mount of the Beatitudes, previously known as Mt Eremos, where Jesus is said to have delivered the Sermon on the Mount near the Sea of Galilee. Eight years later, Israel faced a major crisis when it was struck with a drought. It was the "worst crisis in 80 years". Yossi Karni from the Jewish National Fund, which maintains the trees, noticed that olive tree on the Mount of Beatitudes blessed by Pope John Paul II was the only one producing olives that year.

Karni explained that all the trees on the plot were treated equally, but the ones that did not receive the blessing have not given fruit that year. “They get treated the same, watered the same,” he said, adding that some trees had even started to wither, which he could not explain. When he was asked what he would do with the olives, Karni told Israel’s Channel 10 he might market their “holy oil.”

9 posted on 09/18/2010 1:54:28 PM PDT by NYer ("God dwells in our midst, in the Blessed Sacrament of the altar." St. Maximilian Kolbe)
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