Pope Benedict XVI delivers a speech in Westminster Hall, in the Palace of Westminster, as Britain's Archbishop of Canterbury (L) listens, in London September 17, 2010.
Posted on 09/17/2010 1:53:50 PM PDT by NYer
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You wrote:
“What in God’s Holy Name does Rome and Canterbury have in common?”
History. At least from the 6th century until about 1534. Anglican churches will either become Catholic again or they will become mosques.
Exactly. “Be England thy dowry as in days of Yore”
They know this which is why there is so much hostility.
That is history long gone. Whatever similarities there were, they no longer exist. Yes, I know that there are groups within the Anglican community, such as the Anglo-Catholics, that see themselves in doctrinal agreement with Rome, but they are a minority. I went to graduate school in England, and I lived in an Anglican college. Despite my love of the Anglican liturgy and the beauty of their churches, I found nearly all the Anglican priests to be apostates.
No, it was yesterday for historic Christians. Protestants, of course, view it as a long time ago. For us, however, it was just yesterday.
The Catholic Church knows the truth for the UK: Catholic or Muslim. People must decide.
**What in God’s Holy Name does Rome and Canterbury have in common?**
Roots
You wrote:
“Maybe it is just me, but I am having difficulty understanding your comments. Are you saying that it is better to be a heretic than a Muslim?”
The English already are heretics so, no, I am saying it is better that they became orthodox Christians.
“As far as I know, all Christians mark time the same way. A hundred or a million years is the same for everyone. Church history is church history, and it does not matter what religion or denomination you are.”
Oh. yes it does matter. That’s why so many Anglicans are now becoming Catholics.
“Do you believe that any of the church fathers would find any unity in the Anglican community?”
Nope. Then again, the Church Fathers were Catholic so that should be no surprise.
If time is the main factor, then they should become Jews. We all mark time the same way. My watch keeps the same time that your watch keeps. Do you know anything about Protestantism? At least from my perspective, you make all sorts of assumptions that are false when it comes to what Protestantism is or believes. If you want to talk specifically about Anglicanism, then it is best to confine our discussion to that denomination. When you start making broad statements about what Protestantism believes or how it measures time, you will only end up distorting Protestantism.
You wrote:
“If time is the main factor, then they should become Jews.”
Then they would have to renounce truths that they know and believe. Why would anyone do that?
“We all mark time the same way. My watch keeps the same time that your watch keeps. Do you know anything about Protestantism? At least from my perspective, you make all sorts of assumptions that are false when it comes to what Protestantism is or believes.”
Nope. I actually do know something about Protestantism and no I don’t make assumptions about it.
“If you want to talk specifically about Anglicanism, then it is best to confine our discussion to that denomination.”
If you want to talk about good choices, don’t talk about people renouncing Christ to become Jews.
“When you start making broad statements about what Protestantism believes or how it measures time, you will only end up distorting Protestantism.”
Nope. Protestantism is a distortion in itself already.
That is history long gone. Whatever similarities there were, they no longer exist. Yes, I know that there are groups within the Anglican community, such as the Anglo-Catholics, that see themselves in doctrinal agreement with Rome, but they are a minority. I went to graduate school in England, and I lived in an Anglican college. Despite my love of the Anglican liturgy and the beauty of their churches, I found nearly all the Anglican priests to be apostates.Hmmm, very confused. The Church of England has ALWAYS claimed to be Catholic. Many are now realizing they are not and should be. That appears to bother you. Why?
Neither. Fortunately, the Catholic Church presents an better option.
I consider myself Catholic, though out of respect for those baptized within the Roman Catholic Church I tend to clarify that I am not Roman Catholic. I actually struggled with this concept when I was preparing for my Baptism, as the Nicene Creed refers to the “Catholic church,” and I never understood that to be anything other than the Church under the Pope.
It was later explained to me that Catholic, in the sense Anglicans understand it, means “Universal.” Sadly this “universal” nature has led to some Anglicans (especially the Episcopal church) going down some wacky roads.
Just my $0.02.
Still, I’m interested to see how things develop between the Roman Catholic Church and the Anglican Communion. I have my own hopes on the matter, but doubt they will come to fruition at any point during my lifetime.
Being Catholic is quite common actually - a valid baptism is the sole, universal entrance card. That doesn’t mean you cannot sin, clearly, nor is it the only thing needed for Salvation, but it is the common denominator of Christendom. The Papacy is the servant of the servants of God that brings unity to those who choose the fullness of the Faith given to us by God. Many in the Anglican schism are choosing to return. Why? Once unity is lost, doctrinal error becomes the rule. At least imho, ymmv.
Is English your second language? I cannot make any sense of what you saying. There must be translation problem.
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