It is supposed to go down that way. Per the prophet Hosea:
4For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim:
5Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days.
All the more amazing, that the State of Israel was reborn after 2000 years and the world will be SHOCKED again when the Mashiach arrives, rebuilds the Temple, Sacrfices are returned and the Priesthood reinstalled! etc.
And it has been 2000 years since the man from Nazareth was last seen....so I guess we can have a friendly wager on when Mashiach arrives, just who will it be?
I read it, and see a man’s feeble effort/interpretation to say it does not apply to the Messiah (regardless whether one believes the Messiah to be Jesus or not).
Nahh....Isaiah 9 is just like Isaiah 7, events that pertain to the time they were written. Isaiah 7 for example is not about a virgin birth, it was about a sign for King Ahaz.
The seventh chapter in the Book of Isaiah begins by describing the military crisis that was confronting King Ahaz of the Kingdom of Judah. Around the year 732 B.C.E., the House of David was facing imminent destruction at the hands of two warring kingdoms: the Northern Kingdom of Israel, led by King Peqah, and the Kingdom of Syria (Aram), led by King Retsin. These two armies had besieged Jerusalem. Isaiah records that the House of David and King Ahaz were gripped with fear. G-d sent the prophet Isaiah to reassure King Ahaz that divine protection was at hand – G-d would protect him and his kingdom and that their deliverance was assured, and these two hostile armies would fail in their attempt to subjugate Jerusalem.
It is clear from the narrative in this chapter, that Isaiah’s declaration (Is 7:14-16) was a prophecy about the unsuccessful siege of Jerusalem by the two armies from the north. The verses Isaiah 7:15-16 state that, by the time this child (whose imminent birth was foretold in Isaiah 7:14) reaches the age of maturity (“… he knows to reject bad and choose good …”), the kings of the two enemy nations will be gone, in fact, they will be killed. Two Biblical passages, 2 Kings 15:29-30 and 2 Kings 16:9, confirm that this prophecy was contemporaneously fulfilled when these two kings were assassinated. With an understanding of the context of Isaiah 7:14 alone, it is evident that the name of the child in Isaiah 7:14, Immanu'el, is a sign which points to the divine protection that King Ahaz and his people would enjoy from their otherwise certain demise at the hands of these two enemies. Clearly, Isaiah 7:14 is a near-term prophecy that is part of an historic narrative, and which was fulfilled in the immediate time frame, not some seven-and-a-half centuries in the future.[messiah truth]
Just like Isaiah 9, which is also a contemperaneous event.
In case you didnt read this: The ninth chapter in the Book of Isaiah deals with the crisis that existed in the Kingdom of Judah during a time when the Assyrian king Sannheriv wanted to destroy it. Isaiah responds to the messenger sent by Hezekiah with a message in which he reaffirms the promise that G-d made to David, namely, that the kingdom would be preserved (see 2 Sam 7:12-16). The army of Sannheriv, the king who previously exiled the tribes of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, lays siege to Jerusalem seeking to capture and exile the people of the Kingdom of Judah. The nation turned to G-d and obeyed Hezekiah's order not to respond and, as noted (see 2 Chron 32:21, above), a miracle occurred. An angel came and slaughtered the Assyrian army, and the king, Sannheriv, was assassinated by members of his own family upon his return in defeat. Thus, the Jewish nation that was on the brink of destruction, standing in the shadow of death, suddenly and miraculously was redeemed, and it stood in a great light.
The tenth chapter in the Book of Isaiah provides the epilogue to the events described in Chapter 9. In these two chapters, the Prophet recounts how G-d saved King Hezekiah and his Kingdom of Judah from Sannheriv’s massive military attack. Prior to the siege on Jerusalem, the Assyrian army successfully captured and exiled most of the population of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. Now Assyria was poised to exile the people of the Kingdom of Judah, the helpless remnant of the Jewish people who so desperately needed divine intervention. By way of leading into a description of the events that lifted a nation from a state of despair to the ecstasy of a miraculous redemption; Isaiah opens up his ninth chapter with the following declaration:
Isaiah 9:1 - The people who walked in darkness, have seen a great light; those who dwell in the land of the shadow of death, light shone upon them.
When certain passages in Chapter 10 are superimposed on some passages in Chapter 9, it becomes even more evident that the passage Isaiah 9 5-6/[6-7] relates directly to G-d saving Hezekiah and his people from Sannheriv in the eighth century B.C.E.
Several additional explicit connections between Hezekiah and Isaiah 9:5-6[6-7] are found in the Hebrew Bible. The following passage connects Hezekiah with peace:
2 Kings 20:19 - Then said Hezekiah to Isaiah, "Good is the Word of the L-rd which you have spoken." And he said [to himself], "Is it not so, if there will be peace and truth in my days?"
Isaiah 10:21-22 – (21) The remnant shall return, the remnant of Jacob [Israel], to the Mighty G-d [or, mighty hero] [ (el gibbor)]. (22) For if your people Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, a remnant [of them] shall return; the decreed destruction shall wash away with righteousness.
With Isaiah 10:21-22 in mind, 2nd Chronicles, Chapter 30, describes how a remnant from that which was the Northern Kingdom of Israel had returned to Jerusalem during the reign of King Hezekiah to celebrate the Passover. The Northern Kingdom of Israel, which was devastated by the Assyrians in the days of King Ahaz, fell into the hands of Hezekiah as Assyria weakened. For the first time since the days of King Solomon, the national unity was reestablished, and Hezekiah was the first monarch on the throne of David who ruled over a "united" people, at least for the duration of his kingdom (hence Isaiah's explanation of the long name, "for the increase of the authority").
Finally, as another connection between Hezekiah and Isaiah 9:5-6[6-7], there is the expression, "the zeal of the L-rd of Hosts shall accomplish this.", which occurs in only two other places in the Hebrew Bible – at 2 Kings 19:31 and Isaiah 37:32. These two passages, which are almost identical, describe the downfall of the Assyrian king Sannheriv and the miraculous victory of Hezekiah.[messiah truth]
You say the passages in Is.7+9 are contemporaneous.....hmm
**When certain passages in Chapter 10 are superimposed on some passages in Chapter 9, it becomes even more evident that the passage Isaiah 9 5-6/[6-7] relates directly to G-d saving Hezekiah and his people from Sannheriv in the eighth century B.C.E.**
The INCREASE of his government(authority) and peace.....from HENCEFORTH(NOW) even for ever(to eternity).
Increase? Starting right then? Hello?
I tell you plainly that after Hezekiah, with the exception of Josiah, it’s been all down hill for the kings on David’s throne. Yes, Israel as a nation has reemerged, and who will be the Messiah is ‘still up in the air’ (pun...heh, heh) in your opinion and those like minded.
Isaiah 7:14-16 is prophecy. Here is why I believe that:
First the ‘virgin’ is the same hebrew word used in the account of Rebekah being found to be Isaac’s wife.
A virgin is not a virgin when conception takes place. Granted, we might not be talking of much more than a couple of minutes, from losing virginity to conception, in some cases.
In verse 16 ‘the land’(singular) that thou abhorrest’ is the land that God gave to the 12 tribes of Israel, ‘forsaken of both her kings’ refers to the kings of Israel and Judah. Then, verses 17-25 pronounce the decline in to servitude and poverty. The people, as a whole, proved that they abhorrest the land that God to gave them by their very actions/sins; changing it to a land of idol worship. (Not so different from the immoral behavior of the people here in the USA; hating the country as it was set up under the Constitution, and wanting it altogether different.)
I really have to marvel at the Judaism interpreters’ views of Isaiah 53, as well as Psalm 22.
For the sake of curiosity, I will also look at what they say about Zech. 12:10; 13:6,7; Isaiah 50:6; 52:14; Micah 5:1,2; and others I have yet to bring to my attention.
I have stayed in the Old Testament for all of this, but will alude to the NT in closing this particular reply:
Concerning the rules regarding the sacrifices; Jesus wasn’t fulfilling only the Passover sacrifice, but all the sacrifices. His was a composite of them all. He had to be.
His second coming is to bring peace. Unfortunately, to accomplish that there will be great loss of life by a majority that cling to their sinful lifestyles.
Jesus disciples were just like David, full of courage one moment, then fearful the next (remember David fleeing from Saul, to live with the Phillistines?). But those same diciples were given the promise of the Spirit prophesied by Joel; then they boldly preached in spite of lashings and imprisonment.