Ya all keep digging
Posted on 09/03/2010 5:27:36 AM PDT by Paragon Defender
Glenn Beck has been in the news lately and, not surprisingly, so has his religion. Some have warned Christians to be wary of Beck, not because of his political views but because of his religious affiliation. He is, they say, not a real Christian.
I'm betting, though, that he is. I don't know Mr. Beck personally, but he belongs to the same church I do, and I'm a pretty mainstream member. I'll wager that his beliefs resemble mine.
I believe in God, the Father Almighty, the creator of heaven and earth. I also believe in Jesus Christ, his only-begotten Son, the Lord of all humankind, who, before being born to the Virgin Mary, was the Jehovah of the Old Testament. I believe that Jesus Christ suffered under Pontius Pilate, that he was crucified, died and was buried. While his body lay in the tomb, he descended into the realm of the spirits of the dead and preached the gospel there. On the third day, Jesus rose, physically, from death. He ascended into heaven, where he sits at the right hand of the Father. He will return, however, in power and great glory, to judge the living and the dead. In the meantime, we can receive guidance from the Holy Spirit, the third member of the Trinity.
I believe that Christ founded a church in order to teach his doctrine and administer the ordinances of salvation to all humanity and that the fellowship of the Saints, Christ's disciples, transcends not only all ethnic, cultural and national divisions but even death itself. I believe in the forgiveness of sins and the resurrection of the body, which are made possible only through the gracious Atonement of Jesus Christ, in whom we have our only hope of salvation. And, finally, I believe in everlasting life.
Some will have recognized that the structure and phrasing of the two paragraphs above were modeled, quite consciously, on the ancient "Apostles' Creed" — a text dating to roughly the late fifth century. In the modern translation favored by the Church of England, the Apostles' Creed reads as follows:
"I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried; he descended into hell. On the third day he rose again; he ascended into heaven, he is seated at the right hand of the Father, and he will come to judge the living and the dead.
"I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints, the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen."
Now, obviously, I've changed the language a bit. Mostly, I wanted to use more familiar or more typically Mormon terms. For instance, the word "catholic" is rarely used, nowadays, in its original sense of "universal" — it should be obvious that Henry VIII's church isn't announcing its surrender to the pope when it recites the Apostles' Creed — but Latter-day Saints do most definitely believe that the church established by Jesus has a universal mission.
More significantly, where the original Apostles' Creed says that Christ was "conceived by the Holy Spirit" ("conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto"), Latter-day Saints will want to insist that Jesus is the divine Son of God the Father. The scriptures are completely silent as to the mechanism of Christ's conception, and they do say that the Holy Spirit came upon Mary (Luke 1:35), but they also plainly declare that Jesus was and is "the Son of the Highest" (Luke 1:32). And emphasis on the fact that Jesus is the Son of God the Father scarcely seems a plausible basis for claiming that Latter-day Saints aren't Christians.
Believing what we do, because we agree so closely with the traditional Apostles' Creed, either Glenn Beck and I (and, for that matter, Mitt Romney and Harry Reid) are Christians, or those who formulated the creed and all those who have affirmed it during the centuries since then haven't been, either.
LOL and knew about it when it went to press
On the second day—[Martin] Harris and [Hyrum] Smith being in the office—I called their attention to a grammatical error, and asked whether I should correct it? Harris consulted with Smith a short time, and turned to me and said: "The Old Testament is ungrammatical, set it as it is written."
For the most part, Gilbert did not edit out the grammatical "errors." The vast majority of them were copied over straight from the manuscripts into the 1830 edition.
(Royal Skousen) -
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publications/books/?bookid=47&chapid=275
Don't tell me the rabbit ate it. . . .
“I was wondering the other day which of the three individuals in the god troika of Momronism was the greater,”
WHOA!!!!!
There are FOUR Mormon Earth Gods:
1. Heavenly Father - used to be a fallen man
2. Jesus Christ - another created spirit being who became a mormon god (but don’t worship Him like Christians do!)
3. Holy Ghost - created spirit being, but didn’t get a body because he was naughty
4. Heavenly Mother - the mormon goddess that breeds with Heavenly Father to produce all the future mormon gods.
PS - there may be more than one Heavenly Mother, since mormons teach celestial polygamy.
Carry on...
Oh the apologists on this thread don’t count the goddess in the three-in-one-purpose troika. With the post I offered in #917, I’m more inclined to see Mormonism as very much behind the times of Science, since their mythology is based upon a steady state universe and/or infinite progressive universes (expanding then contracting, over and over ad infinitum). Since I really believe the inspiration for the moronism mythology is satanic in origin, perhaps Satan has plans for these failed souls in his Hellish eternity ... progressive mating with lovely mooselimbs who failed to get doled out to the islamic suicide murderers, or some such torment as that, in an infinite progression of ‘failure to consummate unions’. I mean, one mythos is as good as another for the mind already in darkness don’tchaknow.
“The awkward, ungrammatical expression of the thoughts is, doubtless, the result of the translator’s (Joseph Smith’s) imperfect knowledge of the English language...That old theory cannot be successfully maintained; that is the Urim and Thummin did the translating.” - Defense of the Faith, p306, B.H. Roberts, Mormon historian.
If D&C 132 and the teachings of the prophets and apostles believed - there is more than one Heavenly Mother up there.
Amen!
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MHGinTN,
The mormon woman who became a goddess is either a goddess,
or just breeding stock.
If the mormon man gets to be a god, but the mormon woman
is just breeding stock, that isn’t fair! What was the point
of wearing the secret underwear, doing the masonic rituals,
etc?
Which is it? Goddess or Breeding Stock?
ampu
Well I know the Lord is gracious to those who have been blinded by craftiness of men...
Eph 4
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:
16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
17 This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
18 Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
19 Who being past feeling have given themselves over unto lasciviousness, to work all uncleanness with greediness.
20 But ye have not so learned Christ;
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
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goddess or breeding stock placemarker
Before my Heart Stops!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfWFCdfuHIU&feature=player_embedded
an attempt of trying to annihilate showing the author intolerance!
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Oh we already know the author is intolerant...
Its Dan Peterson, a MORMON apologist..
Naked men ??? Immodesty ??? Lack of virtue ???
Shouldnt those guys have their mormon Long Johns on at least ???
Well that is good Resty, when you toss off the yoke of Mormonism you will be received in happy arms...
The “prophet” con man and his organization you follow is one of the craftiest of them all, you will certainly benefit from said mercy...
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