Posted on 08/30/2010 3:42:03 PM PDT by SouthDixie
Okay, I'll be honest, I am not a great follower of Glenn Beck yet I am trying to understand what exactly his message is. I try to understand by listening to what others have to say and by watching his shows and rallys.
Today on his show, Glenn said, "If you don't believe in giving 10% tithe, why are you going to that church?" I about had to pick my jaw off the floor. I was not aware attending church was about a 10% tithe and if you didn't have the funds, why attend?
In my minds eye, this is NOT how to attract people to church or to the word of God. God is about Love, Compassion and Unity. In these economic times people are barely able to care for their families let alone give 10% of their income to churches that havn't exactly set a very "spiritual" example.
I am not sure I enjoy where Glenn Beck is taking us.
God doesn’t need your money, whether it is $10 in the Salvation Army kettle or 10% of your income. It is an act of faith and love to give back what is not yours in the first place. But I challenge anyone to do it and see how God works in your life.
>>He wants the first 10% given back to him and anything over that is even better. <<
That is the old covenant.
See my post 186 to “all y’all”
I see one complete covenant when Christ was sacrificed on the Cross.
I don’t really want to argue about this I was just stating how I got to where I am concerning tithing.
Its a personal thing and I’m not Holy Spirit. I’m just a hard headed Texan..
No The Covenant never went away it just got Harder.
I don’t think we are gonna agree on this one and thats OK...
We still have too much in common or we would not be on FR :^))
Do you still obey the Ten Commandments?
>>The sweet aroma was in regard to the drink offering that was over and above the tithe of the Firstborn sheep goat or calf. The drink offering was to be poured over the burnt offering and it was a sweet aroma to God. It was actually the best drink that the person had to offer after thier tithe.<<
If you search the old testament for the word “aroma”, you will find it described as “pleasing” and referring over and over (and over) to the burnt offering. Then the new testament uses the word a single time, referring to the aroma of the Christ, who was a sacrificial offering for us all.
That is the beauty of the Bible - the old and new testaments tie together in so many obvious and subtle ways, all the time pointing the old testament to the Christ of the new testament.
The aroma is about the aroma of the offering. In the new testament that means Jesus the Christ. The single scripture even says it.
Crusty, if you’re a Christian, Jesus has obeyed and met every requirement of the law. You can’t even come close ... watch it, pride sneaks in when you start evaluating how well you’re doing. A Christian has God’s SPirit int heir human spirit, to be the still small voice of conscience. Can you actually claim to have never gone against that still small voice within? Tithing was given under the OT covenant. What Abram did when he rescued Lot was not tithing as accomplish in the OT covenant. To a Christian, 100% belongs to the Lord, and He expects us to use what He offers to us in the constructive ways He instructs it be applied. It’s like sharing Christ, we should even use words occasionally, but always our lives are the offering done before the astonished world. 10% is miserly, and more a vanity than an offering ...
that is exactly right so the First 10% =Tithe never went away it is magnified in our love for Christ/God, and fullfilled in our obidience to Him.
The tithe is really all about obediance.
If every Christian tithed then the Government wouldn't have to have programs for the poor and needy. The Church could do thier job and care for them.
Glenn’s admonishment is completely colored by his Mormonism path. He could not get a ‘temple reccommend’ if he didn’t tithe at least 10% on the accounting books the LDS keep.
Sorry, false doctrine alert! As a Mormon you can be excused for not knowing the actual reason Ananias and his wife were slain, but your effort to place false LDS doctrine into this thread must be addressed. Ananias was punished because he siught to lie to the Holy Spirit, as Peter makes very plain in the passage: ‘Was the property not yours, Ananias? So why have you plotted to lie to God?’
>>“Render unto Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”<<
Regarding the context of this thread, would that mean that I would give money to Caesar and my life to God?
Correct they were stuck down for the lie not for witholding what belonged to God anyway.
>>Do you still obey the Ten Commandments?<<
As clarified in the new testament, yes. But even Jesus changed it. e.g.: Matthew 5:27-28
“You have heard that it was said, ‘Do not commit adultery.’But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”
I re-read the post I answered, you said
“I don’t see tithing as a biblical thing. I see it as an old testament thing. And a Mormon thing.”
The words “I see” are present tense.
I would add for clarification, “It is a Jesus thing to tithe, today, for Christians, it shows trust in God to provide for your needs, it acknowledges that ALL you have comes from the goodness and blessing of God to begin with.”
>>that is exactly right so the First 10% =Tithe never went away it is magnified in our love for Christ/God, and fullfilled in our obidience to Him.<<
Yes it did. Just as the animal sacrifice went away.
Giving was expanded in the New testament but, just as with Matthew 5: 27-28, it describes another huge change with the advent of the Christ as follows:
Judaism, Mormonism and Islam are “letter of the law” beliefs. Christianity is a “spirit of the law” belief.
An analogy would be with speed limits. Christians would say “drive at a safe speed”. The others would say “maximum speed is...”.
Christians are the most free people on the planet.
>>No The Covenant never went away it just got Harder.<<
Good one! You are right. Jesus basically told the Jews (again, a good example is Matthew 5: 27-28) that they cannot perfectly obey the law, and that perfect obedience was the requirement.
Thank God for Grace!
In the Christian walk through life, being open and thus honest with the Holy Spirit is essential to the spiritual health and well-being of the Christian individual and thus their family, and acquaintences. If we lie within our self, thus lie to the Holy PSirit within us Who is our guide when we are walking uprightly, there is no conscience to hold us back from further immorality. Had Peter allowed the lying to go unaddressed and God not struck Anaias down as a frightful example, the body of believers would have sunken into all manner of unChristian behavior very quickly, as each did what was right in their own heart rather th because the heart of man is desperately wicked, not follwing the leadership of His Spirit within. This is how a Jimmy Swaggert or other minister goes so far astray.
Allow me to add that our daily walk with Him should be an Esther type thing, constantly saying ‘if I persih, I perish’ but I will be truthful in all things or hold my tongue. Would that I could live up to that standard!
Good grief people, give it a rest! Apparently you having a hard time with reading comprehension, or are just taking every little chance to try to be contentious. Here's what I said:
“Under New Testament law, Peter asked the members of the Church to give 100 percent, and some were killed by God for lying about withholding some."
Hey, you are conjuring up old images of the former Worst President of the United States.
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