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To: RnMomof7
To Catholics Jesus died to make open the gates of heaven so men could save themselves..

I have read so much falsehood on this thread, this is just another example of a person with no authority whatsoever attempting to tell Catholics what they believe. Worthless trash post.

9,873 posted on 10/09/2010 7:55:54 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Judith Anne
I have read so much falsehood on this thread, this is just another example of a person with no authority whatsoever attempting to tell Catholics what they believe. Worthless trash post.

I think, but I'm not positive, that she's conflating a line from the Baltimore Catechism into the entirety of Catholic doctrine on the Redemption. I've seen that "open the gates of Heaven" line used several times around here and I just haven't had the energy to address it.

Hilariously, the Baltimore Catechism is rejected by a lot of trads because it's "overly Protestant" (infected with Americanism apparently) and that very line is used as an example of why it can't be trusted as a reliable guide of Catholic doctrine. I've been using the first three Baltimore Catechisms for going on six years now with my own children and if I stopped at "Jesus opened the gates of Heaven" I'd have been done 5 years ago.

Here it is from an online version:

Q. Did God abandon man after he fell into sin?
A. God did not abandon man after he fell into sin, but promised him a Redeemer, who was to satisfy for man's sin and reopen to him the gates of heaven.
Well if you stop there you deserve what you get I suppose.
9,879 posted on 10/09/2010 8:15:29 PM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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To: Judith Anne
I have read so much falsehood on this thread, this is just another example of a person with no authority whatsoever attempting to tell Catholics what they believe. Worthless trash post.

What's interesting to me is that a lot of these falsehoods are perpetuated by former and failed Catholics who couldn't be bothered to learn about the Church but are now self-proclaimed experts on the Church. If one is predestined, I guess it is ok to lie because it doesn't really matter.

9,891 posted on 10/09/2010 9:07:52 PM PDT by Al Hitan
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To: Judith Anne
I have read so much falsehood on this thread, this is just another example of a person with no authority whatsoever attempting to tell Catholics what they believe. Worthless trash post.

What do Catholics believe Jesus died for on the cross.. ?

9,902 posted on 10/10/2010 5:27:46 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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