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To: RnMomof7; Jaded; Judith Anne; Legatus; maryz; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; ..
Because the virgin birth is a tenet of faith

Really? That's the story the Protestants go with, they think the Virgin Mary is called that because of the Virgin Birth?

The fact is no one does know correct? There was no one in the bedroom of Mary and Joseph.

Actually, Jesus and whoever else was staying with them at the time would have been in the "bedroom." Except for the very wealthy, private bedrooms are a fairly recent development.

The Catholic church has made up various stories to explain why Joseph may have been fine with that.

"Various stories"? Try this one:
An angel of God came to Joseph and explained that the woman he betrothed to was impregnated by the Holy Spirit and she is carrying God in her womb. And then, right after the Son is born the angel returns and says that Herod is plotting to kill the Child and they need to flee into Egypt.

Now, that is the story as it is told in the Bible. Maybe other people would react differently, but if it was me, I'm pretty sure that this chain of events would totally reprioritize my life. People seem to think that it makes sense to believe that Joseph and Mary had a "normal marriage" after the Nativity of our Lord, but the truth is that the Child removed any possibility of normal. St. Joseph and the Blessed Mother had intimate roles in the most incredible and unique event in the history of the world, having a normal life simply was not a viable option for them.

no one does know..

But here is what we DO know, there is NOTHING that suggests that ANYONE other than Jesus Christ was born of Mary and the FACT that He entrusted her care to Saint John when He was on the Cross would indicate that she had no other children because it would have been unnecessary if she had other sons. Saints James and Jude and others may have been the children of Saint Joseph from a previous marriage, they may have been cousins raised by the Holy Family, but there is NOTHING to suggest that they were born to the Blessed Mother.

9,446 posted on 10/08/2010 5:36:33 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Actually, Jesus and whoever else was staying with them at the time would have been in the "bedroom." Except for the very wealthy, private bedrooms are a fairly recent development.

So if it was such that God wanted Mary to be honored for perpetual virginity, Jesus could have taught that about His mother instead of

Luk 11:27 ¶ And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed [is] the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked.

Luk 11:28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed [are] they that hear the word of God, and keep it

Now, that is the story as it is told in the Bible

What I was speaking of was why Joseph never wanted to have sexual relations with Mary..Ohh he was an old man, he married because he was a widower and needed a mother for his children etc etc..

People seem to think that it makes sense to believe that Joseph and Mary had a "normal marriage" after the Nativity of our Lord, but the truth is that the Child removed any possibility of normal.

Why? Jesus was to be raised as any Jewish child was to be raised..He called himself the Son of Man.. or do you not believe that Jesus was FULLY MAN as well as FULLY GOD.. those were not roses in his diapers.. Jesus was to have a fully human experience on this earth, and that would have included a mother and a father that expressed their love physically , that had disagreements at times.. Parents that were fully human ..Jesus was to be tempted just as we are..so that would have to include some of the things that tempted us about our families

I have seen some of the old manuscripts reproduced that told stories of Jesus healing birds and exhibiting supernatural powers.. Silliness from some of the early church

St. Joseph and the Blessed Mother had intimate roles in the most incredible and unique event in the history of the world, having a normal life simply was not a viable option for them.

Joseph was a carpenter , Mary was a wife and mother.. simple and ordinary lives

But here is what we DO know, there is NOTHING that suggests that ANYONE other than Jesus Christ was born of Mary and the FACT that He entrusted her care to Saint John when He was on the Cross would indicate that she had no other children because it would have been unnecessary if she had other sons.

Whence hath THIS man this wisdom, and these mighty works? Is not this the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not ALL with us?" (Matt. 13:54-56)

John 2:12. Christ went to Capernaum, accompanied by "His mother, and His brethren, AND HIS DISCIPLES."

Galatians 1:18-19, Paul mentioned having seen not only Peter, but also James the Lord's brother in Jerusalem. We know that Paul was speaking of a brother in the flesh. If he had been speaking of a spiritual brother -- a brother in the faith -- he certainly would have included Peter among Christ's spiritual brethren. But he did not!

As to why Jesus sought Johns care of His mother may be found in this prophecy

Psalm 69:8 "I am become a stranger unto MY BRETHREN, and an alien unto MY MOTHER'S CHILDREN.

We know that His siblings thought Jesus had lost His mind.. and came to get Him away from a crowd..

Once again this has no impact on our salvation.. it is only important if one makes a doctrine of faith out of it..then men are being asked to accept as a truth something that has no sure infallible foundation..

Saints James and Jude and others may have been the children of Saint Joseph from a previous marriage, they may have been cousins raised by the Holy Family, but there is NOTHING to suggest that they were born to the Blessed Mother.

I am so glad that I was not let down, here is one of those fables meant to explain other children for which there is no foundation..

Joseph loved Mary, he was not "sinless" he would have desired to have a physical relationship with her ..no matter how old he was or if he had other children.. for her to withhold that would have been a sin, a violation of their covenant.. this causes a problem for a sinless Mary

9,595 posted on 10/08/2010 12:35:15 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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