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To: bkaycee; wagglebee; Natural Law; maryz; Judith Anne; annalex

There actually is a whole different debate there.

The person who makes the declaration and is baptized and lives righteously for a time and then falls off the wagon so to speak.... what happens then?

You often hear in these situation others will say “well, they really didn’t mean it”? Who are they to say? How do you know? My walk sometimes is a slightly less than straight path.

That brings up a whole different point... who are they to judge? I know people hide behind “thou shall not judge” in this live and let live world. But civil law based on Mosaic Law is a JUDGEMENT. We had a priest who talked about that from time to time. “Thou shall not judge... do not judge someone’s else’s soul.” OTOH, the actions speak louder than words. What to do, what to do?


8,963 posted on 10/06/2010 7:15:46 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: Jaded
The person who makes the declaration and is baptized and lives righteously for a time and then falls off the wagon so to speak.... what happens then?

Only God knows his heart. Belief that does not save and a true believer falling into temptation are 2 different things.

8,966 posted on 10/06/2010 7:34:51 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: Jaded
The average Catholics ignorance of Scripture is appalling......

I Corinthians 5: 9-13 I have written you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat.

What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

Yeah, I know. It's Paul.

However it IS Scripture and there is no prohibition against judging the actions of others. Besides, God has already judged those acts as sin and evil. Jesus said that if we love Him, we'll obey His commandments.

Fruit of the Holy Spirit in one's life is evidence of salvation. If there's no fruit, then it's not out of line to question the professed conversion.

Simply pointing out what God has already stated is not making the judgment.

9,066 posted on 10/06/2010 11:45:59 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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