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To: wagglebee
Exactly. The type who believe that if the most evil people who ever lived (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) EVER uttered the phrase, "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," they are saved and NONE of their actions could jeopardize their salvation. Conversely, if somelike Mother Teresa never uttered the phrase, they are damned.

Simply uttering the phrase "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," as an incatation saves no one.

Those who truly rely/trust in Christ alone, who paid our penalty for sin and make Him Lord of their lives, are saved.

AND those who are truly saved (new creatures in Christ, indwelt with Holy Spirit) WILL produce good works, Following in the footsteps of their Professed LORD.

8,957 posted on 10/06/2010 6:58:36 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: bkaycee; Jaded; maryz
Those who truly rely/trust in Christ alone, who paid our penalty for sin and make Him Lord of their lives, are saved.

Ah, so it's faith AND works.

What you are describing DOES NOT seem to be once saved, always saved because there is no guarantee that a person will continue to trust Christ alone. This is an ongoing process, in other words it is a WORK.

8,959 posted on 10/06/2010 7:03:04 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: bkaycee; wagglebee; Natural Law; maryz; Judith Anne; annalex

There actually is a whole different debate there.

The person who makes the declaration and is baptized and lives righteously for a time and then falls off the wagon so to speak.... what happens then?

You often hear in these situation others will say “well, they really didn’t mean it”? Who are they to say? How do you know? My walk sometimes is a slightly less than straight path.

That brings up a whole different point... who are they to judge? I know people hide behind “thou shall not judge” in this live and let live world. But civil law based on Mosaic Law is a JUDGEMENT. We had a priest who talked about that from time to time. “Thou shall not judge... do not judge someone’s else’s soul.” OTOH, the actions speak louder than words. What to do, what to do?


8,963 posted on 10/06/2010 7:15:46 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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