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To: Jaded; maryz
Once Saved Always Saved. The people who think they can say and do what ever they want and are “elect”.

Exactly. The type who believe that if the most evil people who ever lived (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) EVER uttered the phrase, "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," they are saved and NONE of their actions could jeopardize their salvation. Conversely, if somelike Mother Teresa never uttered the phrase, they are damned.

Many who believe this prefer to label Matthew 25:31-46 as a parable or give some other reason as to why it doesn't actually apply to Christians.

8,951 posted on 10/06/2010 6:31:56 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

Short story, I know I will be ridiculed by some of our favorite anti-Catholics here.

A few years ago when the baby-killing store was in downtown Houston, I had a friend from the Chapel who went and participated in the anti-abortion rallies. On a Saturday during Lent, there was a woman who brought her teenage daughter in for an abortion. E said the woman stopped at the edge of the “legal boundary” and yelled at the “holy rollers” that since she was saved, she’d already been forgiven for murdering her grandchild. Even some of the Protestants were shocked. Go figure.


8,953 posted on 10/06/2010 6:44:29 AM PDT by Jaded (I realized that after Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says W T F)
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To: wagglebee
Exactly. The type who believe that if the most evil people who ever lived (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) EVER uttered the phrase, "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," they are saved and NONE of their actions could jeopardize their salvation. Conversely, if somelike Mother Teresa never uttered the phrase, they are damned.

Simply uttering the phrase "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," as an incatation saves no one.

Those who truly rely/trust in Christ alone, who paid our penalty for sin and make Him Lord of their lives, are saved.

AND those who are truly saved (new creatures in Christ, indwelt with Holy Spirit) WILL produce good works, Following in the footsteps of their Professed LORD.

8,957 posted on 10/06/2010 6:58:36 AM PDT by bkaycee
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To: wagglebee; Jaded; maryz
Exactly. The type who believe that if the most evil people who ever lived (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) EVER uttered the phrase, "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," they are saved and NONE of their actions could jeopardize their salvation. Conversely, if somelike Mother Teresa never uttered the phrase, they are damned.

People are damned for their sin.

I just thought I would clear this up as well, Calvinists do not believe in "once saved always saved", we believe in the preservation of the Saints..

Just as we do not save ourself we can never keep ourselves.. Jesus is the author and the finisher of our faith

9,002 posted on 10/06/2010 9:59:54 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: wagglebee; Dr. Eckleburg; OLD REGGIE
The type who believe that if the most evil people who ever lived (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) EVER uttered the phrase

umm.. hitler belongs to the Catholics who baptized him at birth-- guess he was poorly catechismedadized

9,047 posted on 10/06/2010 11:11:25 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (everything that deceives, also enchants: Plato)
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To: wagglebee; Jaded; maryz
The type who believe that if the most evil people who ever lived (Hitler, Stalin, etc.) EVER uttered the phrase, "Jesus Christ is my personal Lord and Savior," they are saved and NONE of their actions could jeopardize their salvation. Conversely, if somelike Mother Teresa never uttered the phrase, they are damned.

No. Uttering a phrase means nothing. It's not words that save one, but repentance and confession. Making salvation dependent on utterance of a phrase puts it on the level of works.

Hitler, Stalin, et al, could utter that phrase until they're blue in the face and it wouldn't make a bit of difference without a heart change, which would be evidenced by a change in actions. They would not continue to engage in those evil deeds.

9,058 posted on 10/06/2010 11:33:30 AM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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