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To: Legatus

Most Protestants do not sing to or about or to a Goddess we leave that to others

“The priestesses of The Great Pagan Goddess Cybele (Kybele - cave dweller) would, through a transformation by the Greeks, be confused with and eventually known as the Sibyls. The Great Goddess of Asia Minor is the oldest true Goddess known, predating the Goddesses of the Sumerian and Egyptians by at least 5,000 years. While there have been Goddess figurines found which date to 30,000 years ago, they come to us without knowledge of their origin or character of the Goddess they represent. A figurine found at atal Hyk, dating to 8,000 year ago, depicts the Mother Goddess squatting in the process of giving birth while flanked by two leopards. In later centuries, the leopards would be changed to lions—the metamorphosed Atalanta and Hippomenes, though leopards were considered to be female lions by the ancients. Her worship was originally combined with that of the Bull of Heaven, which is also prominently displayed at atal Hyk

.”http://www.goddess.org/vortices/notes/cybele.html

The Sibyl’s ecstasy

“In the meantime, the Sibyl, with wild hair, breast heaving, and foaming mouth, still attempted to shake from her soul the god who rode her; but he mastered her crazy heart, and when she had submitted, all doors opened, and she delivered the oracle, saying in her response that Aeneas and his Trojans would conquer Lavinium, but that dreadful wars would come upon them; that they should be resisted by a man Turnus, whom she called a new Achilles, and that they should never be rid of the wrath of Hera. Nevertheless, she encouraged him to never give way, and face all evils boldly and by whatever means that luck might allow ‘’.http://homepage.mac.com/cparada/GML/Sibyl6Cumaean.html


8,468 posted on 10/04/2010 3:40:26 AM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7; maryz

Sigh!
Why don’t you do your homework on Early Christianity and how the Phrygian cults(cybele etc..) were condemned rather than trying to draw comparisons as if your unlocking something new.

Saint Hippolytus condemned these in the early 3rd century

Refutation of All Heresies (Hippolytus)
http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/050105.htm


8,473 posted on 10/04/2010 7:22:18 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: RnMomof7
Most Protestants do not sing to or about or to a Goddess we leave that to others

It's when you go overboard like this that your side loses all credibility and looks like granny Clampett confronted with a pool table. The argument starts to take on the elements of a caricature that can't possibly be serious.

When one resorts to (and I couldn't make this up if I tried) "The Church of The Most High Goddess" to back up a case against the use of the word sibyl in a 13th century sequence... well even the blind could see that someone is reaching.

It's a metaphor, it's not rocket science. David stands for Israel, the sibyl stands for the gentiles. It raises the allusion that at the time of the Incarnation all the world was waiting for a savior, the pagans accepted Augustus as that savior and the Jews rejected Christ. It's called being evocative. Of course it also points out directly that everyone, Jew and Greek, knew how things were going to end.

You're really going to have to do better than running around in a spastic panic over the use of the word sibyl in a hymn. It's like walking into someone's house and having a nervous breakdown upon seeing a Christmas tree.

Meanwhile your idea of God contains four wills apparently but somehow the word "sibyl" is a problem. Persons act according to their nature, there is only one Divine nature possessed totally by each Person of the Blessed Trinity. "Will" (Volition) flows from nature, therefore there is ONE Divine Will, not three. So too does intellect, therefore there is only one Divine intellect.

If anyone does not confess properly and truly in accord with the holy Fathers that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit are a Trinity in unity, and a unity in Trinity, that is, one God in three subsistences, consubstantial and of equal glory, one and the same Godhead, nature, substance, virtue, power, kingdom, authority, will, operation of the three, uncreated, without beginning, incomprehensible, immutable, creator and protector of all things, let him be condemned. (Lateran Council of 649, canon 1)
It's not like this is new...

Three years ago someone right here on freep posted this from Frank Sheed's Map of Life:

The Three Persons--the Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost--each possess the one Divine nature: they do not share it: they each possess it in its totality. It is important to grasp exactly what this means. Men, we say, have one nature, in the sense that they all are human and human nature is one thing. But though Brown and I are of one nature, I cannot think with Brown's mind nor love with Brown's will. I must think with my own mind and love with my own will. So that, although in a general sense human nature is one, in the concrete each man has his own nature and acts in it. With the Three Persons of the Trinity this is not so. There is but one Divine nature, one Divine mind, one Divine will. The three Persons each use the one mind to know with, the one will to love with. For there is but the one absolute Divine nature. Thus there are not three Gods, but one God. The Christian revelation cannot allow the faintest derogation from pure monotheism. The three Persons, then, are not separate. But they are distinct. The Father is God, the Son is God, the Holy Ghost is God. But the Father is not the Son, nor the Son the Holy Ghost, nor the Holy Ghost the Father.
Go nuts on that whole sibyl thing though since that's so much more important than having a totally heretical understanding of the God Whom one professes to worship.
8,476 posted on 10/04/2010 8:50:19 AM PDT by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
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