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To: kosta50; jo kus
No the MoLu does not teach that some are predestined to hell. To be honest I know of no synods that do, as that was something the Augsburg Confessions said “Not so”.

And yes we do believe in Sola Fide. Faith in God is what saves, but that doesn't mean you just say “I have faith” and do nothing else. If you truly love and fear God, you will try to do his will. In other words, you can't say you love God and live your life as if you don't. It isn't the works that save, but the love and faith from which the works come from. There was a Catholic Freeper some time ago that I debated round and round for a while on the subject of Justification/Sanctification. At the end, we both realized while our views are not the same, they are close.

Free will is something I probably can't explain in the short amount of time before work that I have. In short, we have a limited free will. As I said before, God has to make the first move, but we can reject His grace. We are responsible for our own actions, and when we sin it isn't because that is what God wanted us to do, but our own choice. You can't blame God for being a drunk or an adulterer, you made that choice.

6,878 posted on 09/24/2010 4:44:12 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum; kosta50

“At the end, we both realized while our views are not the same, they are close” —> True.


6,889 posted on 09/24/2010 9:17:26 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: redgolum; jo kus
No the MoLu does not teach that some are predestined to hell. To be honest I know of no synods that do, as that was something the Augsburg Confessions said “Not so”.

Where in the Augsburg Confessions does it say "Not so" to predestinaiton to hell?

Obviosuly, there are other Lutheran assemblies that teach different things, so which is the "true" Lutheran sect?

And yes we do believe in Sola Fide. Faith in God is what saves, but that doesn't mean you just say “I have faith” and do nothing else.

But Luther said that it makes no difference if you commit a thousand fornications a day, as long as you believe in Christ you have nothing to worry about.

You can't blame God for being a drunk or an adulterer, you made that choice

Well, I am told that this world is either according to God's will or is not. Which is it?

6,891 posted on 09/24/2010 9:33:08 AM PDT by kosta50 (God is tired of repenting -- Jeremiah 15:6, KJV)
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To: redgolum
There was a Catholic Freeper some time ago that I debated round and round for a while on the subject of Justification/Sanctification.

Joe (jo kus)is a friend. He got sick of the "same ole" "same ole" on FR and stays mostly on christianforums.net.

I'll send him an email if you would like him to comment?

6,901 posted on 09/24/2010 10:16:08 AM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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