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To: OLD REGGIE
"... At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies,"

Uh, oh... ALL "...men shall rise again with their bodies..."

What does ALL mean? Are their exceptions for those you (men) declare as "Saints"? Is there an exception for "Bodily Assumption" as declared by mere men?

The original Catholic Creeds:

1. I believe in God, the Father almighty, creator of heaven and earth.
2. I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord.
3. He was conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary.
4. He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried.
5. He descended into hell. On the third day he rose again.
6. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
7. He will come again to judge the living and the dead.
8. I believe in the Holy Spirit,
9. the holy catholic Church, the communion of saints,
10. the forgiveness of sins, 11. the resurrection of the body,
12. and life everlasting. Amen.

The Nicene Creed
We believe in one God, the Father, the Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all that is, seen and unseen. We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, eternally begotten of the Father, God from God, Light from Light, true God from true God, begotten, not made, one in Being with the Father. Through him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation, he came down from heaven: by the power of the Holy Spirit he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man. For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate; he suffered, died, and was buried. On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures; he ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end.
We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son. With the Father and the Son he is worshipped and glorified. He has spoken through the Prophets. We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins. We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen.

It means that we will all be resurrected. The Nicene Creed is the Creed professed by all nominal Christians; the Apostles' Creed dates back to the second century. I am not aware of exceptions.

6,759 posted on 09/22/2010 4:59:55 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Caholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Very true.

As for those who were bodily assumed to heaven (which is in the Bible, such as Enoch), I don’t know exactly what type of body they have at the moment. I can wait to find out.

And you mentioned you had an electron micro scope. Would love to borrow it for the weekend.


6,769 posted on 09/22/2010 6:56:22 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: MarkBsnr; OLD REGGIE

As a Unitarian Old Reg may not profess to the Nicene Creed as Unitarians deny the Trinity.


6,786 posted on 09/23/2010 1:56:05 AM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: MarkBsnr
It means that we will all be resurrected. The Nicene Creed is the Creed professed by all nominal Christians; the Apostles' Creed dates back to the second century. I am not aware of exceptions.

Are you deliberately missing the point or is this another smoke screen?

The "ALL" who will be resurrected must include your man made "Saints" and precludes the Bodily Assumption of any person prior to the Second Coming of Jesus.

Hint: Really read, and pay attention to, the ATHANASIAN CREED which you posted.

6,801 posted on 09/23/2010 9:19:40 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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