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To: stfassisi
RN-””Well John Paul seemed to think it was ok..interesting he would kiss a Koran , that has a false god and catholics call that love, but they hate Luther and the reformers that love the one true God.. just kinnda interesting.”” First of all kissing a book is not a big deal,it’s just a book and if it helps a relationship towards peaceful dialog perhaps good can come out of it

It is not Just a book.. It is a SACRED book ..Did the Imam kiss the Bible in return? Of course not they will not compromise their faith

Secondly, we do not hate Luther and the reformers we recognizance some of what they teach is heretical and flawed but we don’t run around saying they are going to hell like ignorant protestant religious zealots do to muslims ,Catholics and mormons

Well the Pope sent an army out to kill him, and even today he is dragged over the coals, and trent cursed us ..... and yes taught that only Catholics could be saved ..The PC Roman church has tapped that down ..but then they teach muslims can be saved to.. makes me think they are clueless on what is necessary for salvation.

Concerning this doctrine the Pope of Vatican I, Pius IX, spoke on two different occasions. In an allocution (address to an audience) on December 9th, 1854 he said:
We must hold as of the faith, that out of the Apostolic Roman Church there is no salvation; that she is the only ark of safety, and whosoever is not in her perishes in the deluge; we must also, on the other hand, recognize with certainty that those who are invincible in ignorance of the true religion are not guilty for this in the eyes of the Lord. And who would presume to mark out the limits of this ignorance according to the character and diversity of peoples, countries, minds and the rest?

“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.)

The rest of your posts reminds of something that I would hear from a fundamentalist religions zelot that scares people away and is afraid of loving someone who differs in their belief

Actually I love people enough to let them hate me in the name of Christ.. all beliefs are not equal all gods are not equal, they do not save.. there are not many roads to heaven..there is one, and it is narrow ... It is Christ.
Not traditions , not good works, not sacrifices, not rosaries

There is a way that seems good to a man, but that leads to hell .

6,598 posted on 09/21/2010 5:11:47 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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To: RnMomof7

Dominus Iesus still upholds vatican 1. We don;t deny the Holy Spirit blows where He wills. Thus a person saved is still saved through the Church in a mysterious relationship

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/r
The Church is the “universal sacrament of salvation”,79 since, united always in a mysterious way to the Saviour Jesus Christ, her Head, and subordinated to him, she has, in God’s plan, an indispensable relationship with the salvation of every human being.80 For those who are not formally and visibly members of the Church, “salvation in Christ is accessible by virtue of a grace which, while having a mysterious relationship to the Church, does not make them formally part of the Church, but enlightens them in a way which is accommodated to their spiritual and material situation. This grace comes from Christ; it is the result of his sacrifice and is communicated by the Holy Spirit”;81 it has a relationship with the Church, which “according to the plan of the Father, has her origin in the mission of the Son and the Holy Spirit”.82


6,602 posted on 09/21/2010 5:33:39 PM PDT by stfassisi ((The greatest gift God gives us is that of overcoming self"-St Francis Assisi)))
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To: RnMomof7
There is a way that seems good to a man, but that leads to hell .

Does the way of the OPC, if you are truly reflecting it in your posts, seem good to you? Perhaps Calvin leads his disciples to the same hell he lived and died in.

6,618 posted on 09/21/2010 6:26:15 PM PDT by Judith Anne (Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.)
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