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To: metmom
Do note, I asked you to prove your statement that there are two contradictory comments in the catechism

You gave a link to one comment, not to anything that contradicts it. Please can you give an example to prove your statement that there are contradictory statements?
5,907 posted on 09/17/2010 11:21:01 PM PDT by Cronos (This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church-St.Augustine)
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To: Cronos; metmom
Do note, I asked you to prove your statement that there are two contradictory comments in the catechism

You gave a link to one comment, not to anything that contradicts it. Please can you give an example to prove your statement that there are contradictory statements?

424 Moved by the grace of the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: 'You are the Christ, the Son of the living God. On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church.

552 Simon Peter holds the first place in the college of the Twelve; Jesus entrusted a unique mission to him. Through a revelation from the Father, Peter had confessed: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Our Lord then declared to him: "You are Peter, and on this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it." Christ, the "living Stone", thus assures his Church, built on Peter, of victory over the powers of death. Because of the faith he confessed Peter will remain the unshakable rock of the Church. His mission will be to keep this faith from every lapse and to strengthen his brothers in it.

Was His Church built upon the "...the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter" or on Peter "...built on Peter"?

6,008 posted on 09/18/2010 1:06:38 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am a Biblical Unitarian?)
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841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”330

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846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336


6,103 posted on 09/18/2010 8:32:41 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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