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To: RnMomof7; NYer; Salvation; Pyro7480; Coleus; narses; annalex; Campion; don-o; Mrs. Don-o; ...
Come on wag, you know what it says in Catholic doctrine. making doctrine from silence is where cafeteria catholics come from..

I'm not making a doctrine from silence, I'm pointing out that the Catechism says that the birth of water and Spirit is necessary for salvation AND that Baptism brings this. The Church clearly recognizes that salvation can occur without traditional baptism as evidenced by the Holy Innocents.

The church clearly teaches that baptism is a necessity for salvation, which is why infants are baptized..

Again, the Church clearly teaches that birth of water and Spirit is necessary for salvation (this comes directly from the Gospel of John) AND the Church teaches that this birth IS brought about by Baptism. If the Catechism had said that the birth is ONLY brought about by Baptism it would be a different story, but it doesn't say that.

5,546 posted on 09/16/2010 8:14:35 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The Church clearly recognizes that salvation can occur without traditional baptism as evidenced by the Holy Innocents.

That would have been a baptism BY BLOOD.. and covered by Catholic doctrine..

Why do Catholic priests baptize still born children or dead infants?? Because it assures heaven in Catholic doctrine... other wise, those infants might be in hell correct? Those children, born in sin might be subject to the JUSTICE of God correct?

It is kind of funny actually..Limbo was taught to comfort people as to the fate of the infants and unborn that die without baptism... As a Calvinist I believe that God is indeed merciful but I cling to the scripture 'Shall Not The Judge Of All The Earth Do Right?' because not one of us know the mind of God in this

5,553 posted on 09/16/2010 8:33:10 AM PDT by RnMomof7 (Jhn 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word.)
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